Linspire leaders jump ship.

[Waldo]

Originally Posted by hqlinux

This however brings up all kinds of intriguing things though. I still contend that KC didn't leave voluntarily... Somebody was cooking the books, or something... I don't believe in coincidences in this kind of stuff... Something rotten and possibly even sinister is brewing over there.

We shall see.

Harvey

Your suggestion of criminal activity is not warranted in any way. That is character assassination by innuendo. Not nice.

It would be much more appropriate if you kept your conjecture to possibilities that are within the scope of legal activity. Kevin and the others have done nothing to deserve being subjected to this.

Waldo

[zekelinux2]

Originally Posted by BobD13045

By Monday we will probably get a company statement, who knows. I think Freespire, CNR, and CNR Gold are safe, but for Linspire stay tuned. Just my opinion.

I don't care one way or the other. Linspire is now a commercial product and we can each decide whether to buy it or not. Freespire is very interesting, to me at least, and I would like to see it continue and grow. Since none of the "spires" show up on the boards (not public) it is none of our business what they do behind closed doors. I usually visit forums for the purpose of gaining knowledge and insite about a given product. Lately this one is only gossip and hysteria.

[Doobie]

Why don't we already have a company statement? These people left over a week ago, maybe a couple weeks ago. The lack of denail amounts to a confirmation that these people have left Linspire.

As I pointed out when we first heard the CEO is gone, people don't leave without notice for the reason we were given. We don't have a candid company statement, or any statement, because Linspire doesn't want to air their dirty laundry.

People were far harsher on Linspire for making the MS deal than on Novell and Xandros. I think much of this has to do with the "personality" of Linspire. Linspire seeks to be part of the Linux community (Xandros doesn't try), but they aren't very open about things. I think Linspire is a great company that has done more good for Linux than most Linux distributors, but Linspire can't turn this into community support.

RedHat and Novell would have reported the loss of these top execs (publically-traded companies are required to be more open). I suggest that Linspire give openess a try and see if it doesn't buy them some goodwill. You might have noticed, the public did find out that the CEO had left, just not from Linspire.

[hqlinux]

Originally Posted by Waldo

Your suggestion of criminal activity is not warranted in any way. That is character assassination by innuendo. Not nice.

It would be much more appropriate if you kept your conjecture to possibilities that are within the scope of legal activity. Kevin and the others have done nothing to deserve being subjected to this.

Waldo

I didn't accuse ANYONE specifically, with ANYTHING...

I wonder why comprehension is a lost art around here....

Harvey

[zekelinux2]

insight

[revhouse1]

Originally Posted by hqlinux

I didn't accuse ANYONE specifically, with ANYTHING...
I wonder why comprehension is a lost art around here....
Harvey

But Harvey, you did write "somebody was cooking the books..." did you not?
No that's not accusing anyone specifically, but it was a suggestion that someone at Linspire was invovled in wrong doing, possibly cooking the books. No problem with comprehension here.

tom

[hqlinux]

Originally Posted by revhouse1

But Harvey, you did write "somebody was cooking the books..." did you not?
No that's not accusing anyone specifically, but it was a suggestion that someone at Linspire was invovled in wrong doing, possibly cooking the books. No problem with comprehension here.

tom

Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhh...............

There's the rub.... you forgot to add >>> "or something"...

No comprehension problems here on this end, either...

Harvey

[Howdy125]

Personally I don't care if they all quit ....

[Call_Me_Al]

Originally Posted by revhouse1

But Harvey, you did write "somebody was cooking the books..." did you not?
No that's not accusing anyone specifically, but it was a suggestion that someone at Linspire was invovled in wrong doing, possibly cooking the books. No problem with comprehension here.

tom

I thought that since "cooking the books" refers to accounting fraud that the reference was more specific to the rumoured CFO departure (since I believe the responsibility for accounting resides w/ that office) although, overall, I thought Harvey was generalizing his comments regarding the questions that many have been asking (rather than making claims of purported crimes).

[hqlinux]

Originally Posted by Call_Me_Al

I thought that since "cooking the books" refers to accounting fraud that the reference was more specific to the rumoured CFO departure (since I believe the responsibility for accounting resides w/ that office).

There is a myriad of ways to cook books... And not ALL are financial...

Harvey

[Call_Me_Al]

Originally Posted by hqlinux

There is a myriad of ways to cook books... And not ALL are financial...

Harvey

True, but are any a crime (or just spin and FUD)?

[hqlinux]

Originally Posted by Call_Me_Al

True, but are any a crime (or just spin and FUD)?

LOL

As I said...

"I didn't accuse ANYONE specifically, with ANYTHING..."

Harvey

[freecicero]

OK, to stay constructive here's another comment:

I'm a strong Linspire/Freespire supporter who has generally agreed with the direction that Kevin Carmony was going, though I could understand the criticisms.

At this point all I am concerned about is the continued viability of a company I have put a lot of time into following and supporting. True, they owe nothing to me, not even information, but I think it's obvious that the health of the company demands SOME level of communication about the future path.

Presumably they are working as feverishly on the company path as they are on releasing a working CNR, but I would think that some news on the company is quickly getting to be every bit as important a priority.

[Waldo]

Originally Posted by hqlinux

I didn't accuse ANYONE specifically, with ANYTHING...

I wonder why comprehension is a lost art around here....

Harvey

My comprehension skills are quite adequate. For some around here, feigned innocence is not a lost art.

I stand by my admonition.

Waldo

[revhouse1]

Originally Posted by hqlinux

Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhh...............
There's the rub.... you forgot to add >>> "or something"...
No comprehension problems here on this end, either...
Harvey

I didn't forget it. Classic logic would tell us that simply because "cooking the books" is illegal or at the least unethical, that doesn't, of necessity, mean that the other "something" has be an illegal or unethical activity. However, classical logic is seldom taught in our schools today So, unfortunately many would read the specific statement as setting the tone for the more general statement.

tom

[hqlinux]

Originally Posted by Waldo

My comprehension skills are quite adequate. For some around here, feigned innocence is not a lost art.

I stand by my admonition.

Waldo

Cool...

We agree that we disagree...

I can live with that.

Harvey

[x86]

Use PCLinuxOS at least it is working more than this bunch of cowboys manage, jeez Linspire Commercial Revenue Stream will be zero at this rate.

[jrusso2]

Novell has done tons more for the Linux community then Linspire can ever hope to

[tr7.geo]

Originally Posted by hqlinux

LOL

As I said...

"I didn't accuse ANYONE specifically, with ANYTHING..."

Harvey

Never mind Linspire leaders "jumping ship". Perhaps its time for some Community Board members to pack up and leave. These kind of crap postings do nothing for the "community".....actually they are an embarrassment.

I don't care how many are added afterwards, these type of comments ceased having any humourous value long, long ago.

Don't go away mad....just go away

[x86]

I am only trying to get VFM before my Gold Memb runs out.........................

[Cloudy Wizzard]

Originally Posted by x86

I am only trying to get VFM before my Gold Memb runs out.........................

VFM ? (Very Free Membership ? )

[frazelle09]

VFM = Very Fine Membership?

Have a great day!

[Cloudy Wizzard]

Originally Posted by frazelle09

VFM = Very Fine Membership?

Have a great day!

Well I am really wondering what it means

[frazelle09]

¿Verified Freespire Membership???



Have a...

[BobLeslie]

Originally Posted by frazelle09

¿Verified Freespire Membership???



Have a...

It means Value for Money.

[Cloudy Wizzard]

Originally Posted by BobLeslie

It means Value for Money.

Ah, I never got that with Windows (Allthough Win2k is not that bad).

[x86]

Originally Posted by Cloudy Wizzard

Ah, I never got that with Windows (Allthough Win2k is not that bad).

On a serious note, I will try to be reasonable. I had bought Linspire 5 and CNR, and even though 5V2 is good it is so out-of-date, and it has got to the point that on any recent PC's it has many foibles. I was prepared to wait for 6 until Easter so could use on AMD AM2 based PC's. Now AMD are releasing AMD2+ and I have no chance of getting 6 and CNR in the foreseeable future. Can you understand why I am antigonistic ?

Being 5 months late and head rolling at Linspire HQ, has made me make a decission to leave Linspire and possibly even backing Linux and stick with XP at least by and large it does work.

I do agree that M$ are seriously overpriced, but at least they gave me SP2 FREE and soon SP3. What have Linspire given me, preciously bugger-all in the last 18months. I am a "Newbie User" in most respects of linux, so Freespire is not for me!

So yes I am skeptical and hacked off, but will try to moderate my responses, maybe I need Prozac ?

[Linuxratty]

Since your a newbie,I'd suggest you get freespire 1.0.13 or go with another very easy Linux,like Klikit.
I used Linspire 5.0 over a year and now use Freespire. Ive not moved to the latest and greatest of freespire...

[richard.a]

I agree with the two revs - rumor-mongering is destructive of the person because mud always sticks, whether or not it is justified.

The whole situation heads back to the poor communications from way back, the way I see it - the old mushroom syndrome perhaps

imho as a company they have never understood that the users, particularly the insiders, have a need to be involved at a level higher than that of unpaid worker. I've made this point many times in other parts of these forums, and I'm not an orphan.

There was a very good team at one time.

I must say I wondered for a while about the Linspire Letter's demise - again nothing had been told to any of the troops.

Oh well, chalk it up to more experience I guess

Richard downunder

[x86]

Originally Posted by Linuxratty

Since your a newbie,I'd suggest you get freespire 1.0.13 or go with another very easy Linux,like Klikit.
I used Linspire 5.0 over a year and now use Freespire. Ive not moved to the latest and greatest of freespire...

PCLinuxOS or PuppyLinux both work better, including WiFi support, Live and Installed.