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Dr.Jones
21-December-2006, 23:56
Freespire version 2.0 Alpha3 (1.1.84) is now available for download:

Download_Freespire 2.0 Alpha3 (http://wiki.freespire.org/index.php/Download_Freespire#Freespire_2.0_Alpha_3)

Released on December 21, 2006
Version: Freespire 1.1.84
Size: 693.45 MB
MD5 Checksum: 15dc1439a308da36696117f0bd465b19
Release Notes (http://wiki.freespire.org/index.php/Release_Notes#Freespire_2.0_Alpha3_Release_Notes)

This is the third alpha build that might not be good for the health of a production machine. Expect improvements as future builds are released.

Some of the release notes:
Automatic boot menu management does not always work. Do not install if you are not experienced at repairing Grub configurations and MBRs.
Upgrade path from Freespire 1.0 not fully tested (apt-get dist-upgrade)
Apt repository is pointing to Freespire repositories.
Sound for quick-Switched User accounts inoperative.To report a bug please report in Freespire Bugzilla (http://bugzilla.freespire.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/index.cgi).

Enjoy!
Agent Orange
22-December-2006, 00:01
Ok, many thanks for information.
White Escaflowne
22-December-2006, 00:04
WOOT, downloading now
whitelance
22-December-2006, 00:19
THANK YOU for your hard work on this.

:D
JDoyle
22-December-2006, 00:20
To report a bug please report in Freespire Bugzilla (http://bugzilla.freespire.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/index.cgi).

Enjoy!How long should it take to get the email response (with password) for the bugzilla?

JD
Dr.Jones
22-December-2006, 00:26
How long should it take to get the email response (with password) for the bugzilla?Didn't get it yet???
JDoyle
22-December-2006, 00:29
I just got it. Took about 10 minutes...

JD
CaptainTux
22-December-2006, 00:31
I will have my mirror adjusted for the new alpha in the morning.
Dr.Jones
22-December-2006, 00:38
I will have my mirror adjusted for the new alpha in the morning.NW Thank you for the support...
ME-MYSELF-I
22-December-2006, 00:57
Seeding now - - burn tomorrow, Maybe!!:(:(
azids
22-December-2006, 01:13
Kewl.... DOWNLOADING...
Bro.Tiag
22-December-2006, 01:15
So when ya say that , Upgrade path available from Freespire 1.0 not fully tested (apt-get dist-upgrade) that you want some testing done. Ok, as soon as I finish downloading I'll give it a go but first a question 'bout this statement.


Apt repository is pointing to Freespire repositories.
That is the same Sources list (http://wiki.freespire.org/index.php/Sources_list) that I used to apt-get dist-upgrade to Freespire 1.0 correct?

Cheers
Dr.Jones
22-December-2006, 01:18
So when ya say that , Upgrade path available from Freespire 1.0 not fully tested (apt-get dist-upgrade) that you want some testing done. Ok, as soon as I finish downloading I'll give it a go but first a question 'bout this statement.

Apt repository is pointing to Freespire repositories.That is the same Sources list (http://wiki.freespire.org/index.php/Sources_list) that I used to apt-get dist-upgrade to Freespire 1.0 correct?Nope (Yikes need to update that page also). The .iso sources.list has specific entries pointing to new Freespire 2.0 repositories...
Bro.Tiag
22-December-2006, 01:23
Nope (Yikes need to update that page also). The .iso sources.list has specific entries pointing to new Freespire 2.0 repositories...

Glad I ask, although I"m sure I could use an apt-get dist-upgrade to the 1.0 repositories, might fix my CnR issue :). Anyway, you'll let us know when the new sources.list is posted.

Cheers
JDoyle
22-December-2006, 02:01
This one appears to be SMP enabled... is that correct?

JD
McTek
22-December-2006, 02:10
Has any progress been make on getting Ralink rt61 chip set to work?
chakkaradeep
22-December-2006, 02:11
To report a bug please report in Freespire Bugzilla (http://bugzilla.freespire.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/index.cgi).
Enjoy!

kewl...hmm...happy to see the Bugzilla up!
subslug
22-December-2006, 02:32
This one appears to be SMP enabled... is that correct?

JD

Well kewl....lookie there...

uname -a
Linux texas 2.6.18-3-686 #1 SMP Fri Dec 8 15:29:05 EST 2006 i686 GNU/Linux

:cool:
JDoyle
22-December-2006, 02:43
SMP as default for SMP processors is very kewl. :D

JD
Bro.Tiag
22-December-2006, 02:48
Glad I ask, although I"m sure I could use an apt-get dist-upgrade to the 1.0 repositories, might fix my CnR issue :). Anyway, you'll let us know when the new sources.list is posted.

Cheers
Ok, I grabed the sources.list off of the LiveCD and I started the dist-upgrade, but before I say yes I wanted to post the warning.


freespirelive:/# apt-get dist-upgrade
Reading Package Lists... Done
Building Dependency Tree... Done
Calculating Upgrade... Done
The following packages will be REMOVED:
alsa-headers cnrinstallupdate cupsys-driver-gimpprint-data fos-config-kde
fos-ksplash-theme-default gaim gimp gimp-helpbrowser gimp-python gparted hal
jackdsp k3b k3blibs kdelibs-bin kdelibs4 kdemultimedia-kfile-plugins
kdevelop3 kdevelop3-data kdevelop3-plugins kmessage kplayer ldm libarts1
libbio2jack0 libdbus-1-1 libdbus-glib-1-1 libdbus-qt-1-1 libglibmm-2.4-1
libgmp3 libgtkmm-2.4-1 libjack0.80.0-0 libmodplug0 libmusicbrainz4
libmyspell3 libnewt0.51 libopenexr2 libpng10-0 libqt3-mt-dev libqt3c102-mt
libsigc++-2.0-0 libstlport4.6 libwpd8 libxmlnode2 linspireextras
los-audio-device-db los-audiowrapper los-autorun los-config-kde
los-config-mozilla los-detector los-detector-interp los-detector-native
los-displaysettings los-hotplug los-hotplug-bytecode los-hotplug-interp
los-hotplug-native los-jackcontrol los-kernel-extra-2.6.14
los-kernel-image-2.6.14 los-ksplash-engine los-ksplash-theme-default
los-ksynaptics los-linuxconfig los-mkinitrd los-mkinitrd-native
los-networkcontrolpanel-core los-networkcontrolpanel-pppoe
los-networkcontrolpanel-vpn los-networkcontrolpanel-wifi
los-networkdaemon-core los-networkdaemon-pppoe los-networkdaemon-vpn
los-networkdaemon-wifi los-networktrayapplet-core los-networktrayapplet-vpn
los-networktrayapplet-wifi los-samba-share-printer los-samba-start-stop
los-startupwizard los-volumemanager los-vpnconnect lphoto lreminders lsongs
mozilla-1.6 mozilla-browser-1.6 mozilla-psm-1.6 mplayer mplayer-nogui
mplayerplug-in netkit-inetd ntp-server nvidia-driver-utils ocamlffi-dl
ocamlffi-interp ocamlffi-lib openoffice.org-l10n-en-us python-imaging
python-imaging-sane python-kde3 python-qt3 python2.3-dbus python2.3-gtk2
python2.3-kde3 python2.3-numeric python2.3-opengl python2.3-qt3
python2.3-qt3-gl python2.3-sip4-qt3 python2.3-xml qt3-apps-dev raidtools2
sysvinit trmxml udev xlibmesa-glu-dev xserver-common
The following NEW packages will be installed:
atlas3-base bsh busybox ca-certificates comerr-dev cpp-4.1 cpufrequtils
cupsys-common cupsys-driver-gutenprint dctrl-tools debian-archive-keyring
fontconfig-config foomatic-db-gutenprint fuse-utils gaim-data gcc gcc-4.1
gcc-4.1-base gconf2-common gdk-imlib11 genisoimage gksu gnome-cards-data
gnome-icon-theme gnome-themes-extras gnupg gpgv gtk-qt-engine gtk2-engines
gtk2-engines-pixbuf gtk2-engines-spherecrystal icedax icedove iceweasel
ijsgutenprint kdelibs4c2a klibc-utils lapack3 liba52-0.7.4 libaa1
libafterimage0 libarts1c2a libavahi-client3 libavahi-common-data
libavahi-common3 libavahi-compat-libdnssd1 libavahi-core4 libavahi-glib1
libavahi-qt3-1 libavcodec0d libavformat0d libcaca0 libcairo2 libcdk5
libcpufreq0 libcucul0 libcupsys2 libcupsys2-dev libcurl3-gnutls
libcurl3-openssl-dev libdaemon0 libdb4.4 libdbus-1-3 libdbus-glib-1-2
libdbus-qt-1-1c2 libdc1394-13 libdevmapper1.02 libdirectfb-0.9-25 libdrm2
libedit2 libequeue-ocaml libequeue-ocaml-dev libfaad0 libflac++5 libflac7
libfontenc-dev libfontenc1 libfox1.4 libg2c0 libgcrypt11-dev libgksu2-0
libgl1-mesa-dev libgl1-mesa-dri libgl1-mesa-glx libglu1-mesa libgmp3c2
libgnutls-dev libgnutls13 libgpg-error-dev libgstreamer-plugins-base0.10-0
libgstreamer0.10-0 libgtop2-7 libgtop2-common libgutenprint2 libhsqldb-java
libicu36 libjack0.100.0-0 libjaxp1.3-java libjline-java libkadm55 libklibc
libkrb5-dev libltdl3 liblua50 liblualib50 liblzo-dev libmdbtools
libmodplug0c2 libmusicbrainz4c2a libmyspell3c2 libneon26 libnewt0.52
libnspr4-0d libnss3-0d libntfs9 libocamlnet-ocaml-dev liboggflac3
libopencdk8-dev libopenexr2c2a libparted1.7-1 libpci2 libpcrecpp0
libpoppler0c2 libpoppler0c2-qt libpopt-dev libportaudio0 libpostproc0d
libqt3-mt librsvg2-common libsasl2-2 libsasl2-modules libservlet2.3-java
libsigc++-2.0-0c2a libsnmp9 libssp0 libstlport4.6c2 libsysfs2 libtasn1-3
libtasn1-3-dev libufsparse libvideo-ivtv-perl libvolume-id0 libwpd8c2a
libwxbase2.6-0 libwxgtk2.6-0 libx11-data libxau-dev libxcomposite1
libxdamage1 libxdmcp-dev libxfixes-dev libxfont-dev libxfont1
libxinerama-dev libxmu-headers los-buildxconf-bytecode los-hdparm-detect
los-jiffyboot-bytecode los-jiffymount-bytecode menu mesa-common-dev mktemp
openbsd-inetd openssh-client openssh-server openssl python-cairo
python-central python-crypto python-dbus python-libxml2
python-los-networkstats python-minimal python-numarray python-psyco
python-sip4 python-support python-twisted python-twisted-bin
python-twisted-conch python-twisted-core python-twisted-lore
python-twisted-mail python-twisted-names python-twisted-news
python-twisted-runner python-twisted-web python-twisted-words
python-wxgtk2.6 python-wxversion python-zopeinterface python2.4
python2.4-minimal readline-common startup-tasks sysreport system-services
sysvinit-utils tzdata unionfs-tools update-inetd upstart upstart-compat-sysv
vbetool vim-runtime wodim x11proto-core-dev x11proto-fixes-dev
x11proto-fonts-dev x11proto-input-dev x11proto-kb-dev x11proto-randr-dev
x11proto-render-dev x11proto-video-dev x11proto-xext-dev
x11proto-xinerama-dev xbitmaps xcursor-themes xfonts-encodings xfonts-utils
xkb-data xserver-xorg-core xserver-xorg-input-evdev xserver-xorg-input-kbd
xserver-xorg-input-mouse xserver-xorg-input-wacom xserver-xorg-video-all
xserver-xorg-video-apm xserver-xorg-video-ark xserver-xorg-video-ati
xserver-xorg-video-chips xserver-xorg-video-cirrus xserver-xorg-video-cyrix
xserver-xorg-video-dummy xserver-xorg-video-fbdev xserver-xorg-video-glint
xserver-xorg-video-i128 xserver-xorg-video-i740 xserver-xorg-video-i810
xserver-xorg-video-imstt xserver-xorg-video-mga xserver-xorg-video-neomagic
xserver-xorg-video-newport xserver-xorg-video-nsc xserver-xorg-video-nv
xserver-xorg-video-rendition xserver-xorg-video-s3
xserver-xorg-video-s3virge xserver-xorg-video-savage
xserver-xorg-video-siliconmotion xserver-xorg-video-sis
xserver-xorg-video-sisusb xserver-xorg-video-tdfx xserver-xorg-video-tga
xserver-xorg-video-trident xserver-xorg-video-tseng xserver-xorg-video-v4l
xserver-xorg-video-vesa xserver-xorg-video-vga xserver-xorg-video-via
xserver-xorg-video-vmware xserver-xorg-video-voodoo xtrans-dev xutils-dev
The following packages have been kept back:
gnustep-base-common gnustep-gui-common gnustep-make howl-xml k3b-i18n
libggi2 los-additional-mimetypes
The following packages will be upgraded:
915resolution acpid adduser alsa-base alsa-utils apt arj ark aspell
aspell-en aterm atmel-firmware autoconf automake1.4 autotools-dev base-files
base-passwd bash bc binutils bison bitstream-fonts bittorrent bluefish
bsdmainutils bsdutils build-env bzip2 cdda2wav cdparanoia cdrdao cdrecord
cloop-utils console-common console-data console-tools coreutils cpio cpp
cpp-3.3 cron crystalcursors cupsys cupsys-bsd cupsys-client
cupsys-driver-gimpprint curl cvs daapd dbus dbus-1-utils debconf debconf-doc
debconf-i18n debconf-utils debhelper debian-el debian-goodies debian-ocaml
debian-ocaml-dl debian-policy debianutils debmake defoma devscripts dh-make
dhcp3-client dhcp3-common dictionaries-common diff dmidecode dosfstools dpkg
dpkg-dev dpkg-dev-el dvd+rw-tools e2fslibs e2fsprogs efax eject elvis-tiny
emacs21 emacs21-bin-common emacs21-common emacsen-common enscript esound
esound-common eterm faad fakeroot fglrx-driver file findutils firefox
fontconfig foomatic-db foomatic-db-engine foomatic-db-gimp-print
foomatic-db-hpijs foomatic-filters freeglut3 fsh ftp gamin gawk gcc-3.3
gcc-3.3-base gcc-3.3-doc gcc-3.4-base gconf2 gdb gdeskcal gdk-imlib1 gettext
gettext-base gettext-ocaml gettext-ocaml-dl gimp-help-common gimp-help-en
gizmo gnome-bin gnome-games gnome-games-data gnome-keyring gnome-libs-data
gnome-mime-data gnustep-ppd gphoto2 grep grep-dctrl groff-base grub grub-doc
gs-common gs-esp gsfonts gsfonts-x11 gtk2-engines-gtk-qt guile-1.6-libs gv
gzip hdparm hibernate hicolor-icon-theme hostap-utils hostname hotplug hpijs
html2text ifupdown ijsgimpprint imlib-base initscripts intltool-debian
iproute iptables iputils-ping isoluv-bootsplash ivtv-utils jackd kate kcalc
kcontrol kdeadmin-kfile-plugins kdeartwork-style kdeartwork-theme-window
kdebase-bin kdebase-data kdebase-kio-plugins kdegraphics-kfile-plugins
kdelibs-data kdenetwork-filesharing kdepasswd kdeprint kdesktop kdevelop-doc
kdf kdoc kfax kfind kfloppy kgamma kghostview khelpcenter kicker kiosktool
klaptopdaemon klipper klogd kmenuedit kmix kolourpaint konqueror
konqueror-nsplugins konsole kppp krdc krfb kscreensaver kscreensaver-xsavers
kslidesavergl ksmserver ksnapshot ksplash ksysguard ksysguardd kuser kview
kviewshell kwalletmanager kwin kworldclock laptop-mode-tools less lesstif2
libacl1 libao2 libart-2.0-2 libart2 libartsc0 libasound2 libasound2-dev
libaspell15 libast2 libatk1.0-0 libatm1 libattr1 libaudio-dev libaudio2
libaudiofile0 libblkid1 libbonobo2-0 libbonobo2-common libbonoboui2-0
libbonoboui2-common libbz2-1.0 libc6 libc6-dev libcamel1.2-8 libcdparanoia0
libcomerr2 libconfig-inifiles-perl libconsole libcroco3 libcupsimage2
libcupsys2-gnutls10 libcurl3 libcurl3-dev libcvsservice0 libdb1-compat
libdb3 libdb4.2 libdb4.3 libdebutils-ocaml libdetect-ocaml
libdetect-ocaml-dl libdmx1 libdv4 libdvdread3 libebook1.2-5
libedata-book1.2-2 libedataserver1.2-7 libesd0 libexif12 libexpat1
libexpat1-dev libfaac0 libfaad2-0 libffcall1 libfontconfig1
libfontconfig1-dev libfreetype6 libfreetype6-dev libfribidi0 libfs6 libfuse2
libgail-common libgail17 libgamin0 libgcc1 libgconf2-4 libgcrypt11 libgdbm3
libgksu1.2-0 libglade-gnome0 libglade0 libglade2-0 libgle3 libglib1.2
libglib2.0-0 libglide3 libgnome-keyring0 libgnome2-0 libgnome2-common
libgnome32 libgnomecanvas2-0 libgnomecanvas2-common libgnomesupport0
libgnomeui-0 libgnomeui-common libgnomeui32 libgnomevfs2-0
libgnomevfs2-common libgnorba27 libgnorbagtk0 libgnujaxp-java libgnujaxp-jni
libgpg-error0 libgphoto2-2 libgphoto2-port0 libgpmg1 libgsf-1-114
libgsf-1-common libgtk1.2 libgtk1.2-common libgtk2.0-0 libgtk2.0-bin
libgtk2.0-common libgtkhtml2-0 libguile-ltdl-1 libhal-storage1 libhal1
libhowl0 libice-dev libice6 libid3tag0 libidl0 libidn11 libidn11-dev
libieee1284-3 libijs-0.35 libimlib2 libipod0 libiterm1 libiw28 libjpeg-progs
libjpeg62 libjpeg62-dev libkonq4 libkrb53 liblame0 liblcms1 liblcms1-dev
libldap2 liblircclient0 liblocale-gettext-perl liblockfile1 liblog-ocaml
liblog-ocaml-dl liblos-ocaml liblos-ocaml-dl liblzo1 libmad0 libmagic1
libmng-dev libmng1 libmpcdec3 libncurses5 libncurses5-dev libncursesw5
libnetpbm10 libnjb5 libnss-mdns libobjc1 libocamlnet-ocaml libogg0
libopencdk8 liborbit0 liborbit2 libpam-modules libpam-runtime libpam0g
libpango1.0-0 libpango1.0-common libpaper-utils libpaper1 libpcap0.8
libpcre-ocaml libpcre-ocaml-dev libpcre3 libpcre3-dev libperl5.8 libpng12-0
libpng12-dev libpopt0 libqt3-headers libqthreads-12 libraw1394-8
libreadline5 libreiserfs0.3-0 librsvg2-2 libsamplerate0 libsane libsasl2
libsdl1.2debian libsdl1.2debian-oss libselinux1 libsensors3 libsepol1
libsipphoneapi1 libslang2 libslp1 libsm-dev libsm6 libsmbclient libsndfile1
libsnmp-base libsoup2.2-8 libspeex1 libss2 libssl-dev libssl0.9.7
libssl0.9.8 libstartup-notification0 libstdc++2.10-glibc2.2 libstdc++5
libstdc++6 libsvga1 libtext-charwidth-perl libtext-iconv-perl
libtext-wrapi18n-perl libtheora0 libtiff-tools libtiff4 libtool libungif4g
libunixutils-ocaml libunixutils-ocaml-dl libusb-0.1-4 libuuid1 libvcdinfo0
libvorbis0a libvorbisenc2 libvorbisfile3 libwine libwmf0.2-7 libwrap0
libx11-6 libx11-dev libxalan2-java libxau6 libxaw7 libxcursor-dev
libxcursor1 libxdmcp6 libxerces2-java libxext-dev libxext6 libxfixes3
libxft-dev libxft2 libxi-dev libxi6 libxine1 libxinerama1 libxiterm1
libxkbfile-dev libxkbfile1 libxkbui1 libxml1 libxml2 libxmu-dev libxmu6
libxmuu1 libxp6 libxpm4 libxrandr-dev libxrandr2 libxrender-dev libxrender1
libxslt1.1 libxss1 libxt-dev libxt-java libxt6 libxtrap6 libxtst6 libxv-dev
libxv1 libxvidcore4 libxvmc1 libxxf86dga1 libxxf86misc1 libxxf86vm1 libzvt2
linux-kernel-headers linux-sound-base locales login logrotate los-autostart
los-clear-e-icons los-dh-update-kde3 los-installer-tosqa los-keycode-db
los-linspireclear-style los-pcimap los-sethostname los-sudoers
los-sysreportui los-worldclockcontrol los-xkill lsb-base lsof m4 make
makedev man-db manpages manpages-dev mbr mdnsresponder menu-xdg mime-support
mkisofs module-init-tools mount movixmaker-2 multi-gnome-terminal
multi-gnome-terminal-doc myspell-en-us nano nano-tiny ncompress ncurses-base
ncurses-bin nedit net-tools netbase netpbm nfs-user-server normalize-audio
ntfsprogs ntp ntp-simple ntpdate ocaml ocaml-base ocaml-base-nox
ocaml-findlib ocaml-interp ocaml-nox openoffice.org-base openoffice.org-calc
openoffice.org-common openoffice.org-core openoffice.org-draw
openoffice.org-help-en-us openoffice.org-impress openoffice.org-java-common
openoffice.org-kde openoffice.org-math openoffice.org-thesaurus-en-us
openoffice.org-writer openvpn partimage passwd patch pciutils pcmciautils
perl perl-base perl-modules perl-suid pkg-config pnm2ppa po-debconf portmap
poster powermgmt-base powershell ppp pppoe pptp-linux procps psmisc psutils
python python-dns python-gtk2 python-numeric python-uno python-xml python2.3
python2.3-dev qt3-designer qt3-dev-tools rar read-edid realpath realplay
realtime-lsm reiser4progs reiserfsprogs render-dev reportbug resolvconf
rsync samba samba-common sed setserial shared-mime-info smbclient smbfs sox
ssh startup-sounds-kate-1 strace sudo sun-j2re1.5 suspend2-userui sysklogd
sysv-rc t1-cyrillic tar tcl8.4 tcpd thunderbird timezoneconf tk8.4 tla
toolame tpconfig traceroute ttf-bitstream-vera ttf-dejavu ttf-freefont
ttf-opensymbol ttf-xfree86-nonfree ucf unionfs-utils unzip usbutils
util-linux vcdimager vim vim-common vorbis-tools wget whiptail wine
wireless-tools wterm x-dev x11-common xaw3dg xbase-clients xchat
xchat-common xfe xfonts-100dpi xfonts-75dpi xfonts-base xfonts-scalable xfs
xine-ui xiterm xlibmesa-dri xlibmesa-gl xlibmesa-gl-dev xlibmesa-glu
xlibs-data xlibs-static-dev xml-core xmlstarlet xmms xmms-arts xpdf-common
xpdf-utils xscreensaver xscreensaver-gl xserver-xorg xsltproc xterm xutils
yasr zip zlib1g zlib1g-dev zoo
WARNING: The following essential packages will be removed
This should NOT be done unless you know exactly what you are doing!
sysvinit
682 upgraded, 264 newly installed, 119 to remove and 7 not upgraded.
Need to get 661MB/661MB of archives.
After unpacking 41.5MB of additional disk space will be used.
You are about to do something potentially harmful
To continue type in the phrase 'Yes, do as I say!'
?] no
Abort.
freespirelive:/#

While I'm not afraid to do this, I've a backup of the install, I am a wee bit concerned 'bout;

WARNING: The following essential packages will be removed
This should NOT be done unless you know exactly what you are doing!
sysvinit

Will I bullox everything up due to this or am I being a worry wort?

Mind you this is my Linspire install that I dist-upgraded to Freespire so well I dona know.

Cheers
skafiskafnjak
22-December-2006, 03:18
Can anybody check if Xara http://www.xaraxtreme.org/ work with this version?


Thanks
JDoyle
22-December-2006, 03:30
Can anybody check if Xara http://www.xaraxtreme.org/ work with this version?


ThanksIt seems to work fine. ( version 0.7 Revision 1764 )

JD
kmanley57
22-December-2006, 04:31
from Release Notes:

Broadcom chipsets do not work.


Once I loaded the firmware files mine worked fine, at least I hope so since that is what I am using. :)

I used the bcm43xx-fwcutter.deb file to do this.


Broadcom 4318.

Card Information from lspci -vv:

00:0e.0 Network controller: Broadcom Corporation BCM4318 [AirForce One 54g] 802.11g Wireless LAN Controller (rev 02)
Subsystem: Broadcom Corporation Gateway 7510GX
Control: I/O- Mem+ BusMaster+ SpecCycle- MemWINV- VGASnoop- ParErr- Stepping- SERR- FastB2B-
Status: Cap- 66MHz- UDF- FastB2B- ParErr- DEVSEL=fast >TAbort- <TAbort- <MAbort- >SERR- <PERR-
Latency: 64
Interrupt: pin A routed to IRQ 201
Region 0: Memory at 24000000 (32-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=8K]

output from ndiswrapper -l:

bcmwl5-4301 invalid driver!
bcmwl5-4309 invalid driver!
bcmwl5-4318 driver installed, hardware (14E4:4324) present (alternate driver: bcm43xx)
bcmwl5-94306 invalid driver!

Then I had to manually set the ESSID and encription settings. After that I was able to get a IP Address with dhclient and off I went. :)
ME-MYSELF-I
22-December-2006, 04:36
SMP never paid much attention to this, but does this mean I could try this on a dual cpu machine that I have sitting around here?:eek:
JDoyle
22-December-2006, 04:39
SMP never paid much attention to this, but does this mean I could try this on a dual cpu machine that I have sitting around here?:eek:Exactly.

JD
ceti
22-December-2006, 12:16
The title of the topic should be:

Freespire version 2.0 Alpha3 1.1.84 is now available

Right?

Cheers
hqlinux
22-December-2006, 13:07
The title of the topic should be:

Freespire version 2.0 Alpha3 1.1.84 is now available

Right?

Cheers


Yep...;):D

Harvey
NoKernel
22-December-2006, 13:13
I ajusted this post error this is alpha3 and not 2 ;)
Dr.Jones
22-December-2006, 13:55
The title of the topic should be:

Freespire version 2.0 Alpha3 1.1.84 is now available

Right?Yes, Opps that's what happens when you don't thoroughly QA a cut & paste :). Thx. NoKernel...
Dr.Jones
22-December-2006, 14:12
Ok, I grabed the sources.list off of the LiveCD and I started the dist-upgrade, but before I say yes I wanted to post the warning.

While I'm not afraid to do this, I've a backup of the install, I am a wee bit concerned 'bout;

WARNING: The following essential packages will be removed
This should NOT be done unless you know exactly what you are doing!
sysvinit
Will I bullox everything up due to this or am I being a worry wort?

Mind you this is my Linspire install that I dist-upgraded to Freespire so well I dona know.First sources.list (http://wiki.freespire.org/index.php/Sources_list) page has been updated. This will be no worse than updating Freespire 2.0 to Debian sid :). Yes testing an apt-get dist-upgrade would be appreciated [Note: This is Alpha software that might result in instability to a system, so not recommended on a production machine]. From what the developers are saying if a package never existed on the previous version the dist-upgrade wouldn't necessarily bring it in, so there might be differences between an upgraded FS 1.0.13 than a stock FS 1.1.84...
Bro.Tiag
22-December-2006, 14:29
First sources.list (http://wiki.freespire.org/index.php/Sources_list) page has been updated. This will be no worse than updating Freespire 2.0 to Debian sid :). Yes testing an apt-get dist-upgrade would be appreciated [Note: This is Alpha software that might result in instability to a system, so not recommended on a production machine]. From what the developers are saying if a package never existed on the previous version the dist-upgrade wouldn't necessarily bring it in, so there might be differences between an upgraded FS 1.0.13 than a stock FS 1.1.84...

Thanks, I'll break it, I mean I'll try it to night.

Cheers
Bro.Tiag
23-December-2006, 04:43
Thanks, I'll break it, I mean I'll try it to night.

Cheers

Well I didna break my install, but I dona think the dist-upgrade took either.

Here is some of the out put;
TeagueFive-O:/# apt-get dist-upgrade
Reading Package Lists... Done
Building Dependency Tree... Done
Calculating Upgrade... Done
The following packages will be REMOVED:
...
Get:942 http://apt2.freespire.org unstable/main yasr 0.6.5-1.1 [38.5kB]
Fetched 659MB in 50m56s (216kB/s)
Failed to fetch http://apt2.freespire.org/debian/pool/main/c/cvs/cvs_1.12.13-5_i386.deb 302 Found
E: Unable to fetch some archives, maybe run apt-get update or try with --fix-missing?
TeagueFive-O:/#
TeagueFive-O:/# apt-get update
...
TeagueFive-O:/# apt-get dist-upgrade
Reading Package Lists... Done
Building Dependency Tree... Done
Calculating Upgrade... Done
...
WARNING: The following essential packages will be removed
This should NOT be done unless you know exactly what you are doing!
sysvinit
682 upgraded, 264 newly installed, 119 to remove and 7 not upgraded.
Need to get 1664kB/661MB of archives.
After unpacking 41.5MB of additional disk space will be used.
You are about to do something potentially harmful
To continue type in the phrase 'Yes, do as I say!'
?] Yes, do as I say!
Err http://apt2.freespire.org unstable/main cvs 1:1.12.13-5
302 Found
Failed to fetch http://apt2.freespire.org/debian/pool/main/c/cvs/cvs_1.12.13-5_i386.deb 302 Found
E: Unable to fetch some archives, maybe run apt-get update or try with --fix-missing?
TeagueFive-O:/#apt-get dist-upgrade --fix-missing
...
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Errors were encountered while processing:
/var/cache/apt/archives/xserver-xorg-core_2%3a1.1.1-11_i386.deb
E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
TeagueFive-O:/#

Cheers
ps This was on my Lindows>Linspire>Five-O>Freespire install/upgrade. I'm also running apt-get dist-upgrad on a fresh install of FOS-1.0. I'll post the results as soon as it's finished.
kmanley57
23-December-2006, 05:13
I did not have it installed(cvs) but when I tried it failed also, just like yours did. I could not even get into the cvs directory.
Dr.Jones
23-December-2006, 13:43
Well I didna break my install, but I dona think the dist-upgrade took either.

Here is some of the output;

ps This was on my Lindows>Linspire>Five-O>Freespire install/upgrade. I'm also running apt-get dist-upgrad on a fresh install of FOS-1.0. I'll post the results as soon as it's finished.Thx. and truly appreciate the feedback...
ddbann
23-December-2006, 17:16
i installed the alpha version. does cnr work with it? i can't even find it.
Dr.Jones
23-December-2006, 17:26
i installed the alpha version. does cnr work with it? i can't even find it.Don't expect CNR for awhile; however, the Freespire apt repositories are available...
whitelance
23-December-2006, 19:32
Hi,

I did a apt-get distro update on my 1.13 it installed about 28meg.

I thank it took ok. Every thang is working just as will as before.

Then I did a fresh install of 1.13. just to see what happens (geek :)) and it

did the same update.

Looks very nice.

AMD 64 2gig ram

Even when I used Synaptic, It also found the some Distro Updates (Smart Update) 28 megs

Jim
mcrofutt
23-December-2006, 23:38
I d/led the torrent, burned the image, loaded the disc, got to the login screen...
Guess what.... no user or password:confused: Any guesses?:eek:
I tried the following with no success...
user,freespire,guest, even root. I'd like to give it a run. But I need to get past the login screen I think. lol


Bro.Tiag's remedy worked a ton! Thanks again, Bro.!:)
Bro.Tiag
23-December-2006, 23:44
I d/led the torrent, burned the image, loaded the disc, got to the login screen...
Guess what.... no user or password:confused: Any guesses?:eek:
I tried the following with no success...
user,freespire,guest, even root. I'd like to give it a run. But I need to get past the login screen I think. lol


Aye, but I'm not gona tell ya couse ya havena been paying attention :eek:

Well, ok, it's the same as the other alphas (1 & 2), do the following when kdm comes up;

Hit Ctrl+Alt+F4
login as root
type passwd then add yur root password, twice
exit
ya might have to hit Ctrl+Alt+F7 to get back to kdm

Now you can login as root.

Cheers
mcrofutt
23-December-2006, 23:50
Thanks Bro. Tiag.
I haven't run the other 2 Alphas. So I was in the dark. But I certainly do appreciate the info.:)
Bro.Tiag
23-December-2006, 23:57
Well I didna break my install of FOS-1.0 either, but it dona take either.

Here is some of the out put;

test:~#apt-get dist-upgrade
WARNING: The following essential packages will be removed
This should NOT be done unless you know exactly what you are doing!
sysvinit
591 upgraded, 251 newly installed, 98 to remove and 62 not upgraded.
Need to get 3507kB/582MB of archives.
After unpacking 130MB of additional disk space will be used.
You are about to do something potentially harmful
To continue type in the phrase 'Yes, do as I say!'
?] Yes, do as I say!
Get:1 http://apt2.freespire.org unstable/main gnupg 1.4.5-3 [1844kB]
Err http://apt2.freespire.org unstable/main cvs 1:1.12.13-5
302 Found
Fetched 1581kB in 16s (98.3kB/s)
Failed to fetch http://apt2.freespire.org/debian/pool/main/c/cvs/cvs_1.12.13-5_i386.deb 302 Found
debconf: delaying package configuration, since apt-utils is not installed
(Reading database ... 96154 files and directories currently installed.)
Removing alsa-headers ...
Removing bittorrent ...
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Current default timezone: 'US/Eastern'.
Local time is now: Sat Dec 23 06:05:24 EST 2006.
Universal Time is now: Sat Dec 23 11:05:24 UTC 2006.
Run 'tzconfig' if you wish to change it.

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Name Service Switch update in the C Library: pre-installation question.

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This script did not detect any installed services which need to be
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If you want to interrupt the upgrade now and continue later, please
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Do you want to upgrade glibc now? [Y/n] y

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Name Service Switch update in the C Library: post-installation question.

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otherwise they might not be able to do lookup or authentication any more
(for services such as ssh, this can affect your ability to login).
Note: restarting sshd/telnetd should not affect any existing connections.

The services detected are:
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If other services have begun to fail mysteriously after this upgrade, it is
probably necessary to restart them too. We recommend you to reboot your
machine after the upgrade to avoid the NSS related trouble.

Do you wish to restart services? [Y/n] y

Restarting services possibly affected by the upgrade:
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cupsys: stopping...starting...done.
cron: stopping...starting...done.
ssh: stopping...starting...done.

Services restarted successfully.


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LANG = "en_US"
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LC_ALL = (unset),
LANG = "en_US"
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test:~#


And ends with this then errors out.

http://wiki.freespire.org/images/a/aa/Fos1.0_to_alpha3.jpg

And now apt-get doesna work at all.

Cheers
Bro.Tiag
23-December-2006, 23:59
Thanks Bro. Tiag.
I haven't run the other 2 Alphas. So I was in the dark. But I certainly do appreciate the info.:)



Dona let it happen again :D

Cheers
mcrofutt
24-December-2006, 00:13
Dona let it happen again :D

Cheers

Aye Aye, Cap'n!
Marked as solved, and gave YOU all the proper credits! Thanks again!
Mark
mcrofutt
24-December-2006, 00:56
I'm thinking this thread is for the testing of Alpha3? I have most everything working fine here. Running from live cd mode and the only thing that I've found that didn't work is the card games. (Big deal) An issue with the Jack audio system was overcome with alsaconf. Ran Kmix after and set my card to the proper selection and all's good. Overall, I'd give this Alpha release 3 1/2 of 5 stars! Good job ya'll!
Mark
ddbann
24-December-2006, 14:00
Don't expect CNR for awhile; however, the Freespire apt repositories are available...

Cool. I got the Synaptic manager installed so that's ok.
Bro.Tiag
28-December-2006, 04:19
First sources.list (http://wiki.freespire.org/index.php/Sources_list) page has been updated. This will be no worse than updating Freespire 2.0 to Debian sid :). Yes testing an apt-get dist-upgrade would be appreciated [Note: This is Alpha software that might result in instability to a system, so not recommended on a production machine]. From what the developers are saying if a package never existed on the previous version the dist-upgrade wouldn't necessarily bring it in, so there might be differences between an upgraded FS 1.0.13 than a stock FS 1.1.84...
Well I'm not sure if this is of any value, or even worth while doing, but I installed a debian etch base install, following Chris' instructions in Debian etch - HowTo do a minimal setup with KDE (http://forum.freespire.org/showthread.php?t=2087&highlight=etch) (mind you I didna install kde/gnome I stopped @ xorg). Then I did an apt-get dist-upgrade utilizing the above sources.list (http://wiki.freespire.org/index.php/Sources_list).

I got no errors this time & things seem to have gone to plan.
debian:~#uname -a
Linux debian 2.6.18-3-k7 #1 SMP Fri Dec 8 15:57:26 EST 2006 i686 GNU/Linux
debian:~#
Cheers
mcrofutt
28-December-2006, 11:17
I installed from the new Alpha 3 ISO. Nary a problem so far, once I got all the alsa utilities and my SBLive card working.
Would I seriously mess anything up by removing JACK?
Bro.Tiag
28-December-2006, 12:29
I installed from the new Alpha 3 ISO. Nary a problem so far, once I got all the alsa utilities and my SBLive card working.
Would I seriously mess anything up by removing JACK?

I havena tryed removing Jack in any of the alphas. If irc, jack is woven into kde and by removeing it one might remove some kde stuff and/or make it (kde or some stuff) unuseable. Give it a try & let us know.

Cheers
Bro.Tiag
28-December-2006, 23:21
Well I'm not sure if this is of any value, or even worth while doing, but I installed a debian etch base install, following Chris' instructions in Debian etch - HowTo do a minimal setup with KDE (http://forum.freespire.org/showthread.php?t=2087&highlight=etch) (mind you I didna install kde/gnome I stopped @ xorg). Then I did an apt-get dist-upgrade utilizing the above sources.list (http://wiki.freespire.org/index.php/Sources_list).

I got no errors this time & things seem to have gone to plan.
debian:~#uname -a
Linux debian 2.6.18-3-k7 #1 SMP Fri Dec 8 15:57:26 EST 2006 i686 GNU/Linux
debian:~#
Cheers

OK, I've a question. When I boot this new dist-upgrade, it takes 20 seconds to get to the clp login (the deb install prior to the upgrade took 'bout one minute). That's cool. I added kdm via freespire's sources.list & it still boots to the clp login in 20 seconds. If I wait another 55 seconds (total time from grub, 1.15) without loging in kdm kicks in & I get the gui login 20 seconds later (total time from grub 1.30).

How do I make kdm go right to kdm once the clp login comes up (eliminating the 55 second delay)?

Cheers
bowhuntr
29-December-2006, 22:16
So, if I did a fresh install of Freespire 1, updated the sources list to the new ones containing the stuff for Freespire 2 and did apt-get dist-upgrade, would that conceviably give me what is Alpha 3 now?
Bro.Tiag
29-December-2006, 22:26
So, if I did a fresh install of Freespire 1, updated the sources list to the new ones containing the stuff for Freespire 2 and did apt-get dist-upgrade, would that conceviably give me what is Alpha 3 now?

That is how I understand things. But I guess without CnR (and some of the stuff one as bought there) it's nothing really more then a debian install. That said, I believe it's only a matter of time till the new CnR is on offer.
bowhuntr
29-December-2006, 23:16
Well, I have Freespire 1.0.1.3 installed and doing the apt-get dist-upgrade working. We will see how it goes.
bowhuntr
30-December-2006, 01:12
Everything seemed to go fine but this:
Err http://apt2.freespire.org unstable/main cvs 1:1.12.13-5
302 Found
Failed to fetch http://apt2.freespire.org/debian/pool/main/c/cvs/cvs_1.12.13-5_i386.deb 302 Found
E: Unable to fetch some archives, maybe run apt-get update or try with --fix-missing?

It downloaded a bunch of stuff but it doesn't look like anything upgraded.
bowhuntr
30-December-2006, 01:48
Well I didna break my install of FOS-1.0 either, but it dona take either.

Here is some of the out put;

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WARNING: The following essential packages will be removed
This should NOT be done unless you know exactly what you are doing!
sysvinit
591 upgraded, 251 newly installed, 98 to remove and 62 not upgraded.
Need to get 3507kB/582MB of archives.
After unpacking 130MB of additional disk space will be used.
You are about to do something potentially harmful
To continue type in the phrase 'Yes, do as I say!'
?] Yes, do as I say!
Get:1 http://apt2.freespire.org unstable/main gnupg 1.4.5-3 [1844kB]
Err http://apt2.freespire.org unstable/main cvs 1:1.12.13-5
302 Found
Fetched 1581kB in 16s (98.3kB/s)
Failed to fetch http://apt2.freespire.org/debian/pool/main/c/cvs/cvs_1.12.13-5_i386.deb 302 Found
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Note: restarting sshd/telnetd should not affect any existing connections.

The services detected are:
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are supported and installed on your system.
perl: warning: Falling back to the standard locale ("C").
No diversion `diversion of /usr/X11R6/lib/libGL.so.1 to /usr/X11R6/lib/fglrx/diversions/libGL.so.1 by fglrx-driver', none removed
rmdir: /usr/X11R6/lib/fglrx/diversions: No such file or directory
rmdir: /usr/X11R6/lib/fglrx: No such file or directory
Unpacking replacement fglrx-driver ...
dpkg: xserver-common: dependency problems, but removing anyway as you request:
xserver-xorg depends on xserver-common (>= 6.9.0.dfsg.1-3.0.0.50.linspire1.7).
(Reading database ... 98431 files and directories currently installed.)
Removing xserver-common ...
Setting up liblocale-gettext-perl (1.05-1) ...
Setting up libtext-iconv-perl (1.4-3) ...
Setting up libtext-charwidth-perl (0.04-4) ...
Setting up libtext-wrapi18n-perl (0.06-5) ...
Setting up debconf-i18n (1.5.9) ...
Setting up debconf (1.5.9) ...
perl: warning: Setting locale failed.
perl: warning: Please check that your locale settings:
LANGUAGE = (unset),
LC_ALL = (unset),
LANG = "en_US"
are supported and installed on your system.
perl: warning: Falling back to the standard locale ("C").
locale: Cannot set LC_CTYPE to default locale: No such file or directory
locale: Cannot set LC_MESSAGES to default locale: No such file or directory
locale: Cannot set LC_ALL to default locale: No such file or directory
/usr/bin/locale: Cannot set LC_CTYPE to default locale: No such file or directory
/usr/bin/locale: Cannot set LC_MESSAGES to default locale: No such file or directory
/usr/bin/locale: Cannot set LC_ALL to default locale: No such file or directory

(Reading database ... 98411 files and directories currently installed.)
Removing xfs ...
Stopping X font server: xfs.
Removing xterm ...
perl: warning: Setting locale failed.
perl: warning: Please check that your locale settings:
LANGUAGE = (unset),
LC_ALL = (unset),
LANG = "en_US"
are supported and installed on your system.
perl: warning: Falling back to the standard locale ("C").
perl: warning: Setting locale failed.
perl: warning: Please check that your locale settings:
LANGUAGE = (unset),
LC_ALL = (unset),
LANG = "en_US"
are supported and installed on your system.
perl: warning: Falling back to the standard locale ("C").
dpkg: libxft-dev: dependency problems, but removing anyway as you request:
libqt3-mt-dev depends on libxft-dev; however:
Package libxft-dev is to be removed.
Removing libxft-dev ...
dpkg: xbase-clients: dependency problems, but removing anyway as you request:
kdelibs4 depends on xbase-clients; however:
Package xbase-clients is to be removed.
Removing xbase-clients ...
dpkg: xutils: dependency problems, but removing anyway as you request:
gsfonts-x11 depends on xutils (>= 4.1.0-12); however:
Package xutils is to be removed.
xfonts-75dpi depends on xutils.
xfonts-100dpi depends on xutils.
xfonts-scalable depends on xutils.
xfonts-base depends on xutils.
t1-cyrillic depends on xutils (>> 4.0.3); however:
Package xutils is to be removed.
Removing xutils ...
dpkg: xserver-xorg: dependency problems, but removing anyway as you request:
xorg-driver-synaptics depends on xserver-xorg (>> 4.1.0).
Removing xserver-xorg ...
perl: warning: Setting locale failed.
perl: warning: Please check that your locale settings:
LANGUAGE = (unset),
LC_ALL = (unset),
LANG = "en_US"
are supported and installed on your system.
perl: warning: Falling back to the standard locale ("C").
locale: Cannot set LC_CTYPE to default locale: No such file or directory
locale: Cannot set LC_MESSAGES to default locale: No such file or directory
locale: Cannot set LC_ALL to default locale: No such file or directory
xserver-xorg prerm warning: X server provided by xserver-xorg package is
being removed; setting /etc/X11/X to point to /bin/true
(Reading database ... 97732 files and directories currently installed.)
Preparing to replace x11-common 6.9.0.dfsg.1-3.0.0.50.linspire1.7 (using .../x11-common_1%3a7.1.0-7_i386.deb) ...
perl: warning: Setting locale failed.
perl: warning: Please check that your locale settings:
LANGUAGE = (unset),
LC_ALL = (unset),
LANG = "en_US"
are supported and installed on your system.
perl: warning: Falling back to the standard locale ("C").
locale: Cannot set LC_CTYPE to default locale: No such file or directory
locale: Cannot set LC_MESSAGES to default locale: No such file or directory
locale: Cannot set LC_ALL to default locale: No such file or directory
/usr/bin/locale: Cannot set LC_CTYPE to default locale: No such file or directory
/usr/bin/locale: Cannot set LC_MESSAGES to default locale: No such file or directory
/usr/bin/locale: Cannot set LC_ALL to default locale: No such file or directory
rmdir: /usr/X11R6/bin: Directory not empty
dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/x11-common_1%3a7.1.0-7_i386.deb (--unpack):
subprocess pre-installation script returned error exit status 1
perl: warning: Setting locale failed.
perl: warning: Please check that your locale settings:
LANGUAGE = (unset),
LC_ALL = (unset),
LANG = "en_US"
are supported and installed on your system.
perl: warning: Falling back to the standard locale ("C").
System startup links for /etc/init.d/x11-common already exist.
Setting up X server socket directory /tmp/.X11-unix...done.
Setting up ICE socket directory /tmp/.ICE-unix...done.
Errors were encountered while processing:
/var/cache/apt/archives/x11-common_1%3a7.1.0-7_i386.deb
E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
test:~#


And ends with this then errors out.

http://wiki.freespire.org/images/a/aa/Fos1.0_to_alpha3.jpg

And now apt-get doesna work at all.

Cheers

I got this same error, but I didn't get it until I tried to install Firefox. It tried to install Iceweasel. Then I got this error. Is there any solution?
Bro.Tiag
30-December-2006, 02:29
I got this same error, but I didn't get it until I tried to install Firefox. It tried to install Iceweasel. Then I got this error. Is there any solution?

I havena found one yet. But hey you got further then I did with alpha dist-upgrade, so maybe somethings being looked at.

Cheers
richard.a
30-December-2006, 09:08
Guys looking forward to trying this but I'm stuck.

Doing a live CD run and I haven't any idea what the username and password choices are. Help!!!

The login screen is delightful, it's the gnome one I chose when I installed Sun Java Desktop :)

Oh and seasons' greetings folks

Richard in Oztralia
Bro.Tiag
30-December-2006, 09:42
Welcome to Freespire & the forums Richard.
Guys looking forward to trying this but I'm stuck.

Doing a live CD run and I haven't any idea what the username and password choices are. Help!!!

The login screen is delightful, it's the gnome one I chose when I installed Sun Java Desktop :)

Oh and seasons' greetings folks

Richard in Oztralia

I suppose it's one of the alpha's yur trying, there should be no loging with the FOS-1.0 LiveCD. Here's what ya have to do;

Hit Ctrl+Alt+F4
login as root
type passwd then add yur root password, twice
exit
ya might have to hit Ctrl+Alt+F7 to get back to kdm

Now you can login as root.

Cheers
richard.a
30-December-2006, 10:01
okay thanks for the tip. Got me out of trouble :D

Yes its the 1.1.84 (Alpha3 of v2)

Most live distros I've tried the last year or so give a root/root or a user/user pair of login choices rather than going straight in.

Makes them useable as a get-out-of-trouble distro if you have admin privileges.

I've been running the original Freespire a bit on several machines and like it.

Thanks again.
mcrofutt
30-December-2006, 12:28
I havena tryed removing Jack in any of the alphas. If irc, jack is woven into kde and by removeing it one might remove some kde stuff and/or make it (kde or some stuff) unuseable. Give it a try & let us know.

Cheers
Using Synaptic, I removed jack audio and whatever else looked like it was used by jack. I also installed everything "alsa" and most "oss" got my sound GOOD now.:cool:
Maybe the devs will look into scrapping jack as so many folks are having sound issues.:eek::cool::D:)
Now if I could just get kde to play right and save my session!,,,,,,,,lol I'd be a happy camper.
Mark
Bro.Tiag
30-December-2006, 15:13
Using Synaptic, I removed jack audio and whatever else looked like it was used by jack. I also installed everything "alsa" and most "oss" got my sound GOOD now.:cool:
Maybe the devs will look into scrapping jack as so many folks are having sound issues.:eek::cool::D:)
Now if I could just get kde to play right and save my session!,,,,,,,,lol I'd be a happy camper.
Mark

Good on ya! Glad to hear (pun intended) jack can be removed.

Cheers
ME-MYSELF-I
02-January-2007, 17:55
finally got aroumd to installing, now the complaints:

not only does Configure Network Settings in Startup Wizard not work,but contol center network settings part crashes. Obviously no doreport from me. found this: knetworkmanager does not autostart, and requires root permissions to load properly. have no idea how this is done! I run wireless no hard wireing here!!:mad:
any changes I made, none would take effect with out doing a system restart. Not the quickstart but full restart.:mad:
Until more gui stuff is working I guess all you'll get from me is wether or not it installs, which it did.
bowhuntr
02-January-2007, 18:21
I installed it this morning. The configure network screen at first startup doesn't work but it still found the network card and I am on the internet just fine so I can't complain there.

Wanting to enable the root account, I went into Control Center only to find that Kuser was nowhere to be found. I ran kuser from the CL and got root enabled so that part is taken care of.

One thing I am wondering about is the sources list. I know there is a big list on the wiki but the sources that come with Alpha 3 only have 4 or 5 lines. Would it be better to leave it that way or should I add the ones from the wiki also?

I wanted to access my Firefox and Thunderbird profiles on my Freespire 1 partition and found that drive wasn't listed in my file manager. I went into the /mnt folder and found it. Is this as it should be?

Do the devs want a doreport sent in even on a successful install? If so, I will send one in.

Over all, I would say Freespire 2 is starting to look very good.
Bro.Tiag
02-January-2007, 20:51
One thing I am wondering about is the sources list. I know there is a big list on the wiki but the sources that come with Alpha 3 only have 4 or 5 lines. Would it be better to leave it that way or should I add the ones from the wiki also?

Ya know what they say 'bout crossing streams. Stick with the alpha3 sources.list, it's matched up to the debian etch one. Where as that long list in the wiki is more matched to what is all ready on offer via CnR (ie old stuff, sorry).

Cheers
bowhuntr
02-January-2007, 21:23
That is kinda what I was thinking. I will be anixous to see what happens when Alpha 4 comes out. Hopefully apt-get dist-upgrade will work.
Dr.Jones
02-January-2007, 21:28
Wanting to enable the root account, I went into Control Center only to find that Kuser was nowhere to be found. I ran kuser from the CL and got root enabled so that part is taken care of.
Do the devs want a doreport sent in even on a successful install? If so, I will send one in.FYI KUser is located under Applications > Programs > System > User Manager (KUser). Yes Pls. send in Diagnostic Reports…
Dr.Jones
02-January-2007, 21:33
not only does Configure Network Settings in Startup Wizard not work,but contol center network settings part crashes. Obviously no doreport from me. found this: knetworkmanager does not autostart, and requires root permissions to load properly. have no idea how this is done! I run wireless no hard wireing here!!:mad:Applications > Programs > System > File Manager - Super User Mode > browse /usr/bin/knetworkmanager (you'll get a sound error due to running an application as another user-root, but won't affect anything else). Works great from here…
bowhuntr
02-January-2007, 22:02
FYI KUser is located under Applications > Programs > System > User Manager (KUser). Yes Pls. send in Diagnostic Reports…

There it is!!! I just didn't dig far enough.
ME-MYSELF-I
02-January-2007, 22:28
Dr. Jones,

is this gonna allow me to set up wireless or is this just for wired?
Bro.Tiag
02-January-2007, 22:29
That is kinda what I was thinking. I will be anixous to see what happens when Alpha 4 comes out. Hopefully apt-get dist-upgrade will work.

I do look forward to being able to apt-get dist-upgrade my Lindows/*spire install, but what I'm really looking forward to is the new CnR.

Cheers
Dr.Jones
02-January-2007, 23:03
is this gonna allow me to set up wireless or is this just for wired?Yes wireless (including WPA), but unfortunately the settings don't save, Yet :)...
ME-MYSELF-I
03-January-2007, 02:55
Doesn't save, BAH!!:(:p
would be nice if kwrite or kate would open in supeuser mode.
and of course I can't save any file changes without one or the other opening.
I have several files I want to change, looks like it ain't gonna happen.
:p:(
seeker5528
03-January-2007, 09:00
Everything seemed to go fine but this:

It downloaded a bunch of stuff but it doesn't look like anything upgraded.

Doing:

sudo dpkg --purge cvs

: at the command prompt ought to take care of that, but that's not the only issue.

Some failure with the los-detector.prerm script causes the removal of los-detector to fail. I don't know if it's a good thing to do or not, but if you delete /var/lib/dpkg/info/los-detector.prerm it won't get hung up at that point in the installation.

Also to give the best chance of success you should uninstall libmp4-0 and anything that depends on it. Try:

sudo apt-get remove libmp4-0

: If that doesn't work for some reason it should list the packages that prevent it from being uninstalled, which you can then include on the command line:

sudo apt-get remove package1 package2 etc...

Next gv creates an issue with the transition to the new X.org packages because the location it keeps some of it's files needs to be deleted and it's having files there prevents it, so you want to uninstall gv and anything that depends on it.

Also the display manager has to be restarted when libc6 is upgraded, which is bad if you are upgrading from inside of an X session and try to complete the upgrade anyway, so usually I would open a terminal window and type:

sudo /etc/init.d/ldm stop

: which will kill everything X and leave you at the text log in. Then log in and do:

sudo apt-get install libc6 locales

: Don't know if these are all the issues, I did bits and pieces instead of dist-upgrade, but these are the things that stand out in my mind.

Another potential issue, I don't know what kernel you end up with if you dist-upgrade or even if you end up with a kernel. So if everything completes successfully you want to look at /lib/modules/2.x.x and /boot to make sure the kernel modules directories that show up have stuff in them, that /boot has matching kernel and initrd images and if all that stuff looks good make sure /boot/grub/menu-normal.lst has an entry for the kernel.

Could be the process I used, but I ended up without a kernel after installing some packages and before rebooting had to go back and install linux-image-2.6.18-3-686 and los-kernel-extra-2.6.18-3-686, then open a terminal window and do:

detect probe
detect boot
jiffyboot

: to get the initrd image built and the grub stuff updated.

Later, Seeker
Dr.Jones
03-January-2007, 14:23
would be nice if kwrite or kate would open in supeuser mode. and of course I can't save any file changes without one or the other opening. I have several files I want to change, looks like it ain't gonna happen.
:p:(
Any file can be modified using Applications > Programs > System > File Manager - Super User Mode > right-click Open With KWrite or Kate...
Ludi
03-January-2007, 16:27
1. ALT+F2 and type: kdesu name_of_the_prog.
E.g. kdesu kate

2. ALT+F2 and click on the button 'Options' and mark the checkbox 'Run as a different user'. Enter with your password.
Godsbrother
03-January-2007, 18:30
1. ALT+F2 and type: kdesu name_of_the_prog.
E.g. kdesu kate

2. ALT+F2 and click on the button 'Options' and mark the checkbox 'Run as a different user'. Enter with your password.

Cheers for that thats really useful to know :)
Leo
03-January-2007, 19:49
Yes wireless (including WPA), but unfortunately the settings don't save, Yet :)...

I installed kwifimanager from synaptic and now I could set up my wireless card and it saves (had to ndiswrapper -i my RT2500 inf file, but that has nothing to do with this)
ME-MYSELF-I
03-January-2007, 22:20
Any file can be modified using Applications > Programs > System > File Manager - Super User Mode > right-click Open With KWrite or Kate...
Well gee that is the problem - - super user fails to launch now!! :(:(

doreport sent, I'm done with this release!!:(:eek:
Dr.Jones
03-January-2007, 23:46
Well gee that is the problem - - super user fails to launch now!! :(:(You were logged in as the default Admin/sudo user account when executed???
ME-MYSELF-I
04-January-2007, 07:42
there's only one account and that is the one created during install prosses.

blinky blinky however many times and then nothing, nada, silch!!:eek:
Dr.Jones
04-January-2007, 12:21
there's only one account and that is the one created during install prosses.

blinky blinky however many times and then nothing, nada, silch!!:eek: And no dialog box requesting a password (a fixed root access bug)???
ME-MYSELF-I
04-January-2007, 14:08
Whatever:
install from powering up with disk in about 9.5 minutes.
since having to configure wireless requires superuser every time I boot, which is no longer an option after 3rd try, no longer using. Superuser now fails to launch.
actual boot time after install about 1min 15 sec.
without super user several lttle things that I normally change are not testable now. I hate command line anyway.
DeGrijze
04-January-2007, 19:12
Tried it on a pentium 4 2000Ghz with 2048mb mem (system runs sweet under Linspire latest version) and must say that it boots verry slow and it runs slow (even slower than the current Freespire 1 version).
And find out that ther still is no upgrade (from Freespire1 tot 2) service in this beta 3 version.

:eek:
Gerard
Dr.Jones
04-January-2007, 19:37
And find out that ther still is nu upgrade (from Freespire1 tot 2) service in this beta 3 version.To be fair this is an Alpha version...
DeGrijze
04-January-2007, 20:40
To be fair this is an Alpha version...
Thats true, i stand correct it.

;)
Gerard
Ludi
06-January-2007, 21:39
All eyes on Ken. I wouldn't like to be him right now :).
Dr.Jones
06-January-2007, 22:33
All eyes on Ken. I wouldn't like to be him right now :).Turn your eyes here (http://www.google.com/calendar/embed?src=ebpep3g1ea7kocsq73oi0p48tk%40group.calen dar.google.com&title=Freespire%202.0%20Release%20Schedule%20%28Wo rk%20in%20Progress/&dates=20070101%2F20070201) :cool:...
frazelle09
06-January-2007, 23:28
Oh! Dr. Jones, that's terrific! GFY! Have a great day! :)
Ludi
06-January-2007, 23:37
GFY?! I wouldn't recommend the use of this acronyms in the forum.
frazelle09
06-January-2007, 23:50
Upps, i blew that one. It was supposed to rep. Good For You... Thanks for your comment and have a great evening!

:)
JDoyle
07-January-2007, 00:41
GFY?! I wouldn't recommend the use of this acronyms in the forum.:eek::eek::eek:

JD
Dr.Jones
07-January-2007, 02:33
GFY?! I wouldn't recommend the use of this acronyms in the forum.Yikes, that's half my vocabulary :)...
elinux
07-January-2007, 02:58
LOL! That is all only half :D JK!
ceti
07-January-2007, 22:30
Running LIVE:

1 - no sound at all
2 - partitions not mounted, except for Windoze
3 - login screen uglier than Freespire 1.0 :-}

besides that, fine.

Cheers
PGTips91
10-January-2007, 08:19
Running Freespire 2.0 Alpha3 1.1.84 as LiveCD on my whitebox 1000 MHz 256 MB Mem.

First thing I checked was if I could access the other Windows partitions that Linspire 5.0.59 keeps locking me out of. = Yes, access available.

Discovered that some of the 'Settings' information that I could not find before has been shifted into a separate KInfoCenter app.

This showed that there was nothing in the Swap File.
A swap partition is available but not used. Maybe not identified, either.
Free memory was about 5 MB
However, with LBrowser [3 or 4 tabs], KInfoCenter and KSnapshot open, everything has ground to a halt. There has to be something wrong with memory management.
CPU usage was running at about 10%, so that was not the cause of the slowdown.
I used dmesg in a Konsole window to look at the messages that scrolled over the screen during start-up but saw nothing much untoward there.

I did a diagnostic report and submitted it, for what that is worth.

Unfortunately, with limited memory and no free space on my hard drive, I cannot do much more to test this version out.

I see that the next version is due out tomorrow. I will download that and give it a whirl and see how much different it is from this version.

Paul
hqlinux
10-January-2007, 15:03
GFY?! I wouldn't recommend the use of this acronyms in the forum.

Why??? What else could it possibly mean, besides "Good For You"???... LOL;):D:eek:

Harvey
Ludi
10-January-2007, 18:55
Go fish Yankee... :(

Well, I tried. :eek:
ceti
10-January-2007, 19:18
Why??? What else could it possibly mean, besides "Good For You"???... LOL;):D:eek:

Harvey
English isn't the first language for a lot of users in this Forum. That's why I'm against acronyms, too.
Except for LOL, of course, which is known for almost everybody. :)

Cheers
DeGrijze
11-January-2007, 09:27
To day is the day of the next release (Alpha4) by this link. http://www.google.com/calendar/embed?src=ebpep3g1ea7kocsq73oi0p48tk%40group.calen dar.google.com&title (http://www.google.com/calendar/embed?src=ebpep3g1ea7kocsq73oi0p48tk%40group.calen dar.google.com&title)
Hope to find a lot of inprovemend in this beta4 release.

:D
Gerard
ME-MYSELF-I
11-January-2007, 16:37
Ya like locked in wireless settings so I don't have to set up each time I boot!! :p
PGTips91
11-January-2007, 17:58
To day is the day of the next release (beta4) by this link. http://www.google.com/calendar/embed?src=ebpep3g1ea7kocsq73oi0p48tk%40group.calen dar.google.com&title (http://www.google.com/calendar/embed?src=ebpep3g1ea7kocsq73oi0p48tk%40group.calen dar.google.com&title)
Hope to find a lot of inprovemend in this beta4 release.

Gerard
Actually it is Alpha4 that is due today, Jan 11 2007.
What : Freespire 2.0 Beta1


When : Thu 25 Jan 2007


People keep confusing these two, mainly because the product is so good already, I think.
But just to set the record straight, Freespire 2.0 is still at the Alpha stage of development.

Paul
billhedrick
11-January-2007, 19:40
OK this is me being impatient (I actually went and looked for Alpha 4 after midnight last night) Is there release info oout on this yet?
ME-MYSELF-I
11-January-2007, 21:08
check around 1700 PST. :rolleyes:
DeGrijze
12-January-2007, 05:16
check around 1700 PST. :rolleyes:
Wel its 12-01-2007 here now ad 07:13 hour and still can not find a Alpha4 releas.

:rolleyes:
Gerard
whitelance
12-January-2007, 05:29
Wel its 12-01-2007 here now ad 07:13 hour and still can not find a Alpha4 releas.

:rolleyes:
Gerard Glad you asked, I'm off tomarrow and I wont to play with Alpha4. (tonight) :)
ME-MYSELF-I
12-January-2007, 05:53
well, apparently it didn't make it now did it.

:eek::eek:
Dr.Jones
12-January-2007, 16:00
Goal for Alpha4 was the Network Control panel and updated Lbrowser, neither of which was ready, so it looks like next week. Sorry...
DeGrijze
12-January-2007, 16:16
Goal for Alpha4 was the Network Control panel and updated Lbrowser, neither of which was ready, so it looks like next week. Sorry...
In Dutch (Jammer, maar eigenlijk wel verwacht), In German (Ächzen, aber erwartet tatsächlich) and in English (to bad, but where to be expected)

:rolleyes:
Gerard
Greig56
12-January-2007, 18:16
Greetings, I'm looking at a new Linux XP 2007 Freespire CD on eBay. What version might this be & would this be any different than what I might be able to download here? ..Other than this version being a OSS version of course!
ceti
12-January-2007, 18:43
Goal for Alpha4 was the Network Control panel and updated Lbrowser, neither of which was ready, so it looks like next week. Sorry...

Never mind!
Take your time, we can wait. What matters is that Freespire comes solid, with all its features working, like version 1.0.

Cheers
Ludi
12-January-2007, 19:05
I agree with Ceti. Thanks Dr. Jones to tell us what's going on. Many projects [developers] just prefer to hide this from its [their] users.
paul928
12-January-2007, 19:17
Greetings, I'm looking at a new Linux XP 2007 Freespire CD on eBay. What version might this be & would this be any different than what I might be able to download here? ..Other than this version being a OSS version of course!
I'm pretty sure that this is Freespire 1.0, and it's the same thing that's available here for download.......Funny though if you look at the screen shots that the seller posted on Ebay, it's Beta 1.......Anyway, there are people who sell Linux CDs to people who have dial-up, and don't want to spend the time downloading the Distro themselves. I have NO idea though why the seller renamed the disk "Linux XP 2007" though, and I'm not to sure if this is legal in the first place.
Dr.Jones
12-January-2007, 23:36
Greetings, I'm looking at a new Linux XP 2007 Freespire CD on eBay. What version might this be & would this be any different than what I might be able to download here? ..Other than this version being a OSS version of course!If you need a Freespire CD recommend one of the partners (http://wiki.freespire.org/index.php/Download_Freespire#Buy_Freespire_Linux_CDs)...
elinux
13-January-2007, 03:21
Heck ill ship you a free copy on cd. Just pm me your details. :)
willem1940NLD
17-January-2007, 12:30
Tried 1.1.84 "Live" modus. Error message repeating approx a 1000 times, then it stopped and I had to reset the computer (and put the CD to dustbin):

Buffer I/O error on device cloop0, logical block 412706
(reserved error code) -- (asc=0x11, ascq=0x05)
The failed "Read 10" packet command was:
Buffer I/O error on device hdc, logical block 148787
Buffer I/O error on device hdc, logical block 148788
cloop: Read error at pos 304644178in file (NULL), 1763 bytes lost
cloop: zlib decompression error -3 uncompressing block 12897 65536/0/1763/0 344178 - 304645941
Dr.Jones
17-January-2007, 13:10
Tried 1.1.84 "Live" modus. Error message repeating approx a 1000 times, then it stopped and I had to reset the computer (and put the CD to dustbin):

Buffer I/O error on device cloop0, logical block 412706
(reserved error code) -- (asc=0x11, ascq=0x05)
The failed "Read 10" packet command was:
Buffer I/O error on device hdc, logical block 148787
Buffer I/O error on device hdc, logical block 148788
cloop: Read error at pos 304644178in file (NULL), 1763 bytes lost
cloop: zlib decompression error -3 uncompressing block 12897 65536/0/1763/0 344178 - 304645941Has your machine worked with any of the previous Alpha's (or FS 1.0 stable build 1.0.13)???
ceti
17-January-2007, 17:28
When will the sound modules be included in Freespire 2? Anybody knows?

Cheers
Dr.Jones
17-January-2007, 18:17
When will the sound modules be included in Freespire 2? Anybody knows?Most likely not until the first Beta...
ceti
17-January-2007, 21:15
Most likely not until the first Beta...

sigh!

Cheers
Bro.Tiag
17-January-2007, 21:19
sigh!

Cheers

What do ya mean by "sound modules", I've sound on my installs of alpha3?

Cheers
subslug
17-January-2007, 21:37
Elinux made a script that'll handle up on Jack and install Alsa if need be, not sure why he hasn't mentioned on here yet but it works nicely for my test rig.

I guess Elinux doesn't care if I put this up here, feel free to try it if you dare.

Sorry about the .zip format, seems this forum software doesn't like gz or tar files

Run this file in a Konsole, it's going to install quite a bit of Alsa stuff from the repositories. Make sure you tell Jack not to run and instead set it to Alsa in the control center under sound. Then click the restart sound server button. Also make sure you run 'alsaconf' btw...if this breaks your computer in half you still own both halves. ;-)
ceti
17-January-2007, 22:55
What do ya mean by "sound modules", I've sound on my installs of alpha3?

Cheers
I mean I don't have any sound at all. Plain.
I'll try the script from Elix, but not today. "Today we fight!!!", according to Aragorn. My fight is with words: I'm translating the Freespire User Manual to Portuguese (on Freespire 1.0).

Cheers
Dr.Jones
17-January-2007, 22:56
Sorry about the .zip format, seems this forum software doesn't like gz or tar filesFixed that discrepancy...
DeGrijze
19-January-2007, 04:57
I wander if this
http://www.google.com/calendar/embed?src=ebpep3g1ea7kocsq73oi0p48tk%40group.calen dar.google.com&title=Freespire%202.0%20Release%20Schedule%20(Work %20in%20Progress/&dates=20070101%2F20070201 (http://www.google.com/calendar/embed?src=ebpep3g1ea7kocsq73oi0p48tk%40group.calen dar.google.com&title=Freespire%202.0%20Release%20Schedule%20%28Wo rk%20in%20Progress/&dates=20070101%2F20070201)
is going to make it to day?

:rolleyes:
Gerard
SpireFan
19-January-2007, 06:48
I am wondering if maybe it would be better to forgo the final Alpha and just work on the first Beta release, even if it means waiting another week or so. I don't think we need another feature-incomplete release(e.g: no CNR, graphics missing, misc missing programs etc). It's been already determined by others that the previous Alphas were pretty well stable. Why bother waste everyones bandwith downloading another Alpha that basicaly just has an updated Lbrowser?
Dr.Jones
19-January-2007, 13:19
I am wondering if maybe it would be better to forgo the final Alpha and just work on the first Beta release, even if it means waiting another week or so. I don't think we need another feature-incomplete release(e.g: no CNR, graphics missing, misc missing programs etc). It's been already determined by others that the previous Alphas were pretty well stable. Why bother waste everyones bandwith downloading another Alpha that basicaly just has an updated Lbrowser?The two critical changes are including the Network Control Panel (the delay) and an update to Lbrowser based off FF 2.0. Unfortunately the delay looks more like next week (BTW wouldn't plan on CNR in the initial Beta's)...
cottonwood
19-January-2007, 21:48
so another week before we see another alpha?...wow...
SpireFan
20-January-2007, 04:55
(BTW wouldn't plan on CNR in the initial Beta's)...

Seems like CNR would be a necessary step before releasing a Beta. To my understanding(I could be wrong) an Alpha release is software that is yet to be feature complete, and Beta software is feature complete, but not all bugs have been worked out yet. And since CNR is such a significant part of the OS, I would be hard pressed to call a release "feature complete" without it. Just my take.
cottonwood
20-January-2007, 06:27
Seems like CNR would be a necessary step before releasing a Beta. To my understanding(I could be wrong) an Alpha release is software that is yet to be feature complete, and Beta software is feature complete, but not all bugs have been worked out yet. And since CNR is such a significant part of the OS, I would be hard pressed to call a release "feature complete" without it. Just my take.

can't speak for freespire, but in testing linspire 5.0, the early bsetas did not have cnr...it wasn't till eveything else was looking good that it was put in...they may be doing the same thing here
Dr.Jones
20-January-2007, 12:08
Seems like CNR would be a necessary step before releasing a Beta. To my understanding(I could be wrong) an Alpha release is software that is yet to be feature complete, and Beta software is feature complete, but not all bugs have been worked out yet. And since CNR is such a significant part of the OS, I would be hard pressed to call a release "feature complete" without it. Just my take.Point taken. You might see the client (in a raw form), but the backend will be awhile...
planecrazee
25-January-2007, 18:08
Will the final release of 2.0 still make the first quarter of this year?
billhedrick
25-January-2007, 18:37
Will the final release of 2.0 still make the first quarter of this year?
I am having my doubts, since they have another alpha and a beta to get out first
planecrazee
25-January-2007, 20:26
I kinda figured that but I wanted to check. I just hope it is out before summer.
DeGrijze
26-January-2007, 13:42
Mmm, think we just mist the alpha4 release again :(
http://www.google.com/calendar/embed?src=ebpep3g1ea7kocsq73oi0p48tk%40group.calen dar.google.com&title=Freespire%202.0%20Release%20Schedule%20%28Wo rk%20in%20Progress/&dates=20070101%2F20070201

:confused:
Gerard
JDoyle
26-January-2007, 13:46
Mmm, think we just mist the alpha4 release again :(
http://www.google.com/calendar/embed?src=ebpep3g1ea7kocsq73oi0p48tk%40group.calen dar.google.com&title=Freespire%202.0%20Release%20Schedule%20%28Wo rk%20in%20Progress/&dates=20070101%2F20070201

:confused:
GerardPatience.

JD
billhedrick
26-January-2007, 15:20
Patience.

JD
Yea, yea. I'm patient, but I can't wait!
:-)
Dr.Jones
26-January-2007, 16:00
The two critical changes are including the Network Control Panel (the delay) and an update to Lbrowser based off FF 2.0. Unfortunately the delay looks more like next week (BTW wouldn't plan on CNR in the initial Beta's)...The Network Control Panel has been more of a challenge than expected. The core package was changed after the first few iterations and currently wireless is not playing nicely. The MozDev team changed their system, so there's been issues creating a new LBrowser build based on FF 2.0. A release w/o the Network Control panel or Lbrowser 2.0 would be very similar to Alpha3. There you have the gory details and standing of FS 2.0 packages today...
SpireFan
26-January-2007, 16:47
Looks like Freespire might be falling a little behind the 8 ball. PCLinuxOS released their test release last week, and the final is due out next week. Now THAT'S progress. If the Freespire crew is having troubles getting Firefox re branded(new name, icons etc) I'm a little worried. Such a thing should be trivial.

The Network Control Panel has been more of a challenge than expected. The core package was changed after the first few iterations and currently wireless is not playing nicely. The MozDev team changed their system, so there's been issues creating a new LBrowser build based on FF 2.0. A release w/o the Network Control panel or Lbrowser 2.0 would be very similar to Alpha3. There you have the gory details and standing of FS 2.0 packages today...
ME-MYSELF-I
26-January-2007, 17:22
"*&^%" (translation) = NUTZ!!

:eek::(:p
Dr.Jones
26-January-2007, 18:12
If the Freespire crew is having troubles getting Firefox re branded(new name, icons etc) I'm a little worried. Such a thing should be trivial.That part of the work is completed, it's getting the patched code and building the new Lbrowser against the Freespire repositories that's being delayed (due to technical difficulties)...
deanlinkous
26-January-2007, 18:19
gNewSense has BurningDog! :)
I suggested HotDog.........
Ludi
26-January-2007, 18:23
Hum dunno... I can't have that, I'm vegetarian... :D
PGTips91
26-January-2007, 18:30
Yea, yea. I'm patient, but I can't wait!
:-)
We're used to drum rolls for a few days before the event.

The silence is deafening!

Paul

Sat Jan 27 08:30:19 2007 NZDT
flyingduck
28-January-2007, 09:14
they are even planning an alpha 5
http://www.google.com/calendar/embed?src=ebpep3g1ea7kocsq73oi0p48tk%40group.calen dar.google.com&dates=20070201%2F20070301
DeGrijze
28-January-2007, 21:08
Yes its starting more and more to look like a Microsoft new OS release.
A hole lot of BLA BLA but litle to show.

;)
Gerard
tonywilhelm
29-January-2007, 09:39
Yes its starting more and more to look like a Microsoft new OS release.
A hole lot of BLA BLA but litle to show.

;)
Gerard
I see you're winking so I'm guessing you're just putting in a little jab but in defense of the folks at Linspire, Freespire has only been out 6 months and their BLA BLA has actually been substantive and we know exactly what is holding them up. They've only missed Alpha 4 by a few weeks. How many times did M$ push off there release of Longhorn/Vista which took 5 years to develop using a gazillion people and virtually unlimited resources? :eek:

Tony
*John*
04-February-2007, 11:57
I'm starting to feel that Freespire 2.0 could well be vaporware :eek::D

I think the release date has been pegged to coincide with the release of Duke Nukem Forever :D
TekMate
04-February-2007, 12:03
I'm starting to feel that Freespire 2.0 could well be vaporware :eek::D

I think the release date has been pegged to coincide with the release of Duke Nukem Forever :D
That would rock a Freespire and Duke bundle for $89.95! :p
Dr.Jones
04-February-2007, 13:31
I'm starting to feel that Freespire 2.0 could well be vaporware :eek::DAs I recall there have been 3 Alpha releases (http://wiki.freespire.org/index.php/Freespire_2) of said vaporware...
billhedrick
04-February-2007, 16:09
As I recall there have been 3 Alpha releases (http://wiki.freespire.org/index.php/Freespire_2) of said vaporware...
Vaporware is probably too strong, but I am having my doubts that it will reach beta, let alone release. I'm looking at other distros.
ME-MYSELF-I
04-February-2007, 16:16
and useless to some because of wireless setup gui, lack there of.
plus the fact the last one ended up with launch application failure, which totally toasted it for this person.
what little I got to run it, well seemed ok, but ya got to remember some of us shut down our pc's when not sitting in front of them.
why waste power if I ain't usin it.
that's my story and I'm stickin to it.
not kiddin about program launch failure, wasn't gonna reinstall just to fix and have it crap out again!!
:p:(:eek:

was supposed to be able to run dual proccesors (have one sitting here not using) but if can't connect to net ain't gonna even try
Burt.H
04-February-2007, 19:46
and useless to some because of wireless setup gui, lack there of.
plus the fact the last one ended up with launch application failure, which totally toasted it for this person.
what little I got to run it, well seemed ok, but ya got to remember some of us shut down our pc's when not sitting in front of them.
why waste power if I ain't usin it.
that's my story and I'm stickin to it.
not kiddin about program launch failure, wasn't gonna reinstall just to fix and have it crap out again!!
:p:(:eek:

was supposed to be able to run dual proccesors (have one sitting here not using) but if can't connect to net ain't gonna even try


I don't know what you mean by "launch failures". Alpha 3 ran without any problems here, including connecting to the internet (So did 1 and 2.). Sounds to me like you are over-reacting to one failure!

Burt
ME-MYSELF-I
04-February-2007, 20:19
Burt, one must realize I run only wireless and I'll be dipped if I'll configure every time I boot. The thing that failed was needed to configure and it would no longer launch. no launchy no runny get it. :eek: :( this configure every boot has been all alphas, so config once- - doreport and forget it. simple, yes??
TekMate
04-February-2007, 20:50
I'm in the same boat as memy only I have yet to get wireless working so there is no point in running the OS at all. Hopefully alpha 4 will change that.
ME-MYSELF-I
04-February-2007, 20:55
I haven't bothered with the live. I just go ahead an run the install & do my doreport from there. Being wireless an release notes saying no gui for wireless, why bother? I've got one hard drive devoted for just this type of thing so never an issue in that respect. RACKS, the only way!!:D:D
Dr.Jones
05-February-2007, 03:19
FYI the lack of profiles for wireless connections is a big deal, that's why it needs to be right (again I'm sorry for the delay)...
TekMate
05-February-2007, 13:09
FYI the lack of profiles for wireless connections is a big deal, that's why it needs to be right (again I'm sorry for the delay)...

I will agree with you there it would be nice to take a Linux laptop to work and home again without having to redo networking each time.
Ludi
05-February-2007, 16:24
From Distrowatch:
"Freespire openSUSE is not the only distribution that keeps us on our toes. Freespire, which has delayed its promised 4th alpha and first beta releases, is also preparing a surprise for its users. Answering a question on the distribution's mailing list about the recent delays, Kevin Carmony, the CEO of Linspire, replies: "We'll have an update soon. You'll understand the meaning to our madness soon enough, and we ask for your patience and indulgence for just a few more days." Linspire has already delivered a number of unexpected announcements to the Linux user community in recent months, including the opening up of the distribution's development process in the form of Freespire, freeing up the Click 'N Run (CNR) software repository, and announcing the availability of CNR to other distributions. What is it now? We'll have to wait and see...."

Yet to be seen...
TekMate
05-February-2007, 16:29
Oooo suspense! I am going to be up all night now.
JasonCantara
08-February-2007, 01:27
So what do you all think the BIG SURPRIZE is going to be? Hopefully not yet another thing related to Windows Vista:confused:
Dr.Jones
08-February-2007, 13:30
So what do you all think the BIG SURPRIZE is going to be? Hopefully not yet another thing related to Windows Vista:confused:Read here (http://forum.freespire.org/showthread.php?t=4626)...
planecrazee
08-February-2007, 16:58
Read here (http://forum.freespire.org/showthread.php?t=4626)...
I just read the newsletter and I am aggravated now. It says that Linspire and Freespire are going to immediatley transition from Debian to Ubuntu. I have tried tons of Ubuntu, Kubuntu, and Xubuntu versions over the years and none have worked correctly on my computers. Because of this I have been very dissapointed with Ubuntu over the years. If this does happen I will have to stop using Freespire and Linspire which I don't want to do. I just hope the right decision is reached.
obnascar
08-February-2007, 17:09
I have tried tons of Ubuntu, Kubuntu, and Xubuntu versions over the years and none have worked correctly on my computers

That is right....you never will find a distro that works 100 per cent on all computers but one can always find one or more distros that does..
JasonCantara
08-February-2007, 17:22
so how does this impact the beta and the RC release? will CNR not be available at first?
JasonCantara
08-February-2007, 17:37
Read here (http://forum.freespire.org/showthread.php?t=4626)...

just read the rest of this. looks like we are going to have to wait until at least April for the RC. DONT THAT SUCK A LITTLE?
SpireFan
08-February-2007, 18:21
Definitely a deal breaker for me. Seems like they were getting nowhere on there own release so they just gave up, just like Mepis. Going back to PCLinuxOS when it goes final.
JasonCantara
08-February-2007, 18:32
i say they just work on a stable release now and make the ubuntu release later, of course im not a developer either, but im a loyal freespire user. I can wait for the best of the best to come out. i feel its definetly going to be worth it.
Dr.Jones
08-February-2007, 21:34
I just read the newsletter and I am aggravated now. It says that Linspire and Freespire are going to immediatley transition from Debian to Ubuntu. I have tried tons of Ubuntu, Kubuntu, and Xubuntu versions over the years and none have worked correctly on my computers. Because of this I have been very dissapointed with Ubuntu over the years. If this does happen I will have to stop using Freespire and Linspire which I don't want to do. I just hope the right decision is reached.The reality is the bulk of the core OS packages are changing, not necessarily how it functions. There will be an Alpha to use before the end of the month, so I recommend giving that a try...
Zerix01
10-February-2007, 12:27
I just read the newsletter and I am aggravated now. It says that Linspire and Freespire are going to immediatley transition from Debian to Ubuntu. I have tried tons of Ubuntu, Kubuntu, and Xubuntu versions over the years and none have worked correctly on my computers. Because of this I have been very dissapointed with Ubuntu over the years. If this does happen I will have to stop using Freespire and Linspire which I don't want to do. I just hope the right decision is reached.

I hear people say a lot that Ubuntu supports their hardware and Freespire does not or Freespire supports their hardware and Ubuntu does not. I would image that Freespire would merge their drivers with Ubuntu's. So if all works out right then Freespire should be the best of both worlds.
rrrhr
10-February-2007, 15:04
I hear people say a lot that Ubuntu supports their hardware and Freespire does not or Freespire supports their hardware and Ubuntu does not. I would image that Freespire would merge their drivers with Ubuntu's. So if all works out right then Freespire should be the best of both worlds.I agree good comment.
neighborlee()
10-February-2007, 18:41
I hear people say a lot that Ubuntu supports their hardware and Freespire does not or Freespire supports their hardware and Ubuntu does not. I would image that Freespire would merge their drivers with Ubuntu's. So if all works out right then Freespire should be the best of both worlds.
well as experiment im using ubuntu atm..it has its own share of problems ..remember the ATI debocle not long ago..now its nvidia's turn..I installed nvidia-glx from synaptic,,did: sudo nvidia-glx-config enable..rebooted and no nvidia 3d drivers..they( not sure if its a ubuntu d ev or just a end user) blame binary driver of course but thats lame..

point is I think not nearly enough QA is done on most distros, and its starting to show bigtime..freespire has an excuse as they dont claim to be stable out of the box, but more bleeding edge like fedora or opensuse I imagine..

anyway just letting you know , from my vantage point ubuntu is not the holygrail of linux,- and frankly anymore I wonder if anything out there is.

speaking of which..if one were to be so inclined to consider freespire for a hopefully stable as possible env..'where' might one expect breakage or is that even possible to extrapolate ?

cheers
nl
neighborlee()
10-February-2007, 19:56
well as experiment im using ubuntu atm..it has its own share of problems ..remember the ATI debocle not long ago..now its nvidia's turn..I installed nvidia-glx from synaptic,,did: sudo nvidia-glx-config enable..rebooted and no nvidia 3d drivers..they( not sure if its a ubuntu d ev or just a end user) blame binary driver of course but thats lame..

point is I think not nearly enough QA is done on most distros, and its starting to show bigtime..freespire has an excuse as they dont claim to be stable out of the box, but more bleeding edge like fedora or opensuse I imagine..

anyway just letting you know , from my vantage point ubuntu is not the holygrail of linux,- and frankly anymore I wonder if anything out there is.

speaking of which..if one were to be so inclined to consider freespire for a hopefully stable as possible env..'where' might one expect breakage or is that even possible to extrapolate ?

cheers
nl

I cant 'edit my post so I wanted to append it ;)..nothing atm is perfect indeed...but with lin/freespire merger with cannonical etal, I think this drastically changes the landscape for the better and I think from here on out QA and overall end user ease of use and vendor support leading to a greatly ehhanced linux experience ,- is right around the corner ;)

cheers :)
nl
SpireFan
12-February-2007, 12:23
Now that I've had a few days to give it some thought, it might not be such a bad idea. I am assuming a few things though: Freespire will have the latest Kernel(7.04 is using 2.6.20), it will have the new KDE 3.5.6(which I am sure Kubuntu will have), the system will be nice and snappy. Thus far any 'buntu I've used just didn't seem to have that snap to it that I expect. Mepis is a prime example; when they switched over the Ubuntu, it just seemed like a slug. I actually have Ubuntu on my system(installed over a couple of months ago). I didn't use it for more than a few days. It just didn't seem to be making use of that shinny Dual core I've got under the hood. When I'd click on the menu, you could actually see the icons going down the screen; not cool. Though this could be a Gnome issue, I'm not sure. Anyway, I'll save judgment 'till the final release.



Definitely a deal breaker for me. Seems like they were getting nowhere on there own release so they just gave up, just like Mepis. Going back to PCLinuxOS when it goes final.
subslug
12-February-2007, 16:46
I asked the developers and yes, our next Freespire Alpha will have kernel 2.6.20 just like Feisty does.

I think in order for the OS to take advantage of your dual core machine you need to use the SMP version of that kernel....I beleive Ubuntu defaults to the 2.6.20-6-generic kernel.
obnascar
12-February-2007, 17:05
My Freespire 1.0.13 has some wounds right now and I think it is time for a fresh install. I was going to give "2.0a 3" a shot but I have tried two days now and it will not download.

Do you think the Ubuntu base merger has anything to do with this ? I guess that would make sense that the original Freespire 2.0a would be cancelled until the developers gets their hands on the Ubuntu base.

What do you think ?
soonerproud
12-February-2007, 22:47
I asked the developers and yes, our next Freespire Alpha will have kernel 2.6.20 just like Feisty does.

I think in order for the OS to take advantage of your dual core machine you need to use the SMP version of that kernel....I beleive Ubuntu defaults to the 2.6.20-6-generic kernel.

The generic Ubuntu kernel automatically sets up smp without installing a new kernel. I have a Athlon X2 4400 that the 2.6.17-11-generic in Edgy detects both cores at install.

According to the description for both 686 and k7 smp in synaptic, they have both been obsoleted by the generic kernel. Looks like they are going to do the same thing for feisty.
subslug
12-February-2007, 22:51
The generic Ubuntu kernel automatically sets up smp without installing a new kernel. I have a Athlon X2 4400 that the 2.6.17-11-generic in Edgy detects both cores at install.

According to the description for both 686 and k7 smp in synaptic, they have both been obsoleted by the generic kernel. Looks like they are going to do the same thing for feisty.
That's cool....I didn't know that:cool:

Honestly, I never really noticed all that much of a speed difference from stock 386 and smp anywho.:o

BTW: If anyone needs the latest Alpha of Freespire feel free to use my Mirror (http://basetex.org/freespire_1.1.84.iso) if you want to.
It's not listed on the wiki yet, I actually thought we'd be at Alpha 4 or Beta even by now.
Zerix01
15-February-2007, 13:37
well as experiment im using ubuntu atm..it has its own share of problems ..remember the ATI debocle not long ago..now its nvidia's turn..I installed nvidia-glx from synaptic,,did: sudo nvidia-glx-config enable..rebooted and no nvidia 3d drivers..they( not sure if its a ubuntu d ev or just a end user) blame binary driver of course but thats lame..


Install the drivers from nvidia's site. Those sound like the free version, not the binary.
seeker5528
15-February-2007, 20:01
well as experiment im using ubuntu atm..it has its own share of problems ..remember the ATI debocle not long ago..now its nvidia's turn..I installed nvidia-glx from synaptic,,did: sudo nvidia-glx-config enable..rebooted and no nvidia 3d drivers..they( not sure if its a ubuntu d ev or just a end user) blame binary driver of course but thats lame..

Assuming the driver is packaged the same in Ubuntu as it is for Debian, you also have to install the kernel module that matches your kernel. Also if you have an older card you need to install the nvidia-legacy packages instead of Nvidia.

Maybe Ubuntu has it's own mechanism for changed video drivers, I have not investigated, but I would expect (if the individual required packages are all installed) to be able to open a terminal window and type:

sudo su

: then follow the normal Debian process of typing:

dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg

: to change the X.org configuration. Not %100 percent sure this works in Ubuntu, because Debian didn't used to overwrite the xorg.conf file if it was manually edited or changed by some management tool other than debconf, but with the migration to the modular X.org packages there were too many configuration issues so now it does overwrite the file and makes a backup of the old configuration. I would expect this to be the case for Ubuntu as well.

Later, Seeker
Zerix01
16-February-2007, 16:26
The official Nvidia driver will update the xorg.conf file on its own in Freespire, I don't see why it would be all that different in Ubuntu. To my understanding the driver installer will find the xorg.conf file and your kernel sources if they are in the standard locations and then build and configure everything on its own. In my experience Nvidia has become very good at this, but I have only used it in Lin/Freespire.
Unknown User
16-February-2007, 19:21
If I install Freespire 1.0 and I use apt-get dist-upgrade -command, does it update it to v. 2.0 alpha 3?
seeker5528
16-February-2007, 21:16
If I install Freespire 1.0 and I use apt-get dist-upgrade -command, does it update it to v. 2.0 alpha 3?

Not exactly. See my post here (http://forum.freespire.org/showpost.php?p=31166&postcount=13) and that's just for starters, those are the most significant issues, but there is more on top of that. One in particular thing I remember that is not covered in my previous post, you have to uninstall gv and everything that depends on it, because the gv package puts a file in a location that needs to be deleted and recreated as a symlink causing the post install of the newer X.org packages to fail.

If you do the things outlined in my other post and the gv thing above, then do:

apt-get upgrade

: instead of dist-upgrade to pull in the easily upgradeable items then try the dist-upgrade, that give you the best chance of success.

It took some work and at some point I did have to apt-get install udev and the specific kernel packages that I wanted, but I was able to end up with a usable system. The last attempt did the right thing when I installed the newer kernel and related driver packages except I ended up having to boot from the live CD and edit the grub entry for the root drive to be a /dev/hda style of entry instead of a kernel style listing that Freespire/Linspire used in the past, without that change the root partition could not be found.

Any point where you have to remove packages to get others to install you should do 'apt-get upgrade' before attempting 'apt-get dist-upgrade' again.

Doing the upgrade is not an easy process, if you do attempt it and are successful, what you end up with will not be the same as what you would have if you installed from the installation CD. There will be old/obsolete packages that didn't get removed and there will be new packages that didn't get installed.

Later, Seeker
schotty
18-February-2007, 09:54
I hear people say a lot that Ubuntu supports their hardware and Freespire does not or Freespire supports their hardware and Ubuntu does not. I would image that Freespire would merge their drivers with Ubuntu's. So if all works out right then Freespire should be the best of both worlds.

99% of the drivers are from the kernel itself. So generally speaking, upgrading to a newer kernel adds more fucntionality. As does more recent ALSA (sound), CUPS(printer), gPhoto (cameras), and SANE(scanners).

Oddball hardware is the crap that people have flaky results with across the same distro, different revisions. I would guesstimate that most if not all drivers that dont work quite right across different distros are from either the default settings, creation, parameters (if you have built a kernel, that makes alot of sense, otherwise, .... go thru the kernel config and see all the options), or flat out a different version of aforementioned packages.
schotty
18-February-2007, 09:59
The official Nvidia driver will update the xorg.conf file on its own in Freespire, I don't see why it would be all that different in Ubuntu. To my understanding the driver installer will find the xorg.conf file and your kernel sources if they are in the standard locations and then build and configure everything on its own. In my experience Nvidia has become very good at this, but I have only used it in Lin/Freespire.

Thats a Linspire touch (or whoever packaged the drivers up rather). There was a rant by one of Red Hats guys about avoiding the nVIDIA supplied drivers and using a packaged one instead (like the Livna repo for Fedora/CentOS). Apparently the nVIDIA crew is screwing with dlls and not undoing it correctly when uninstalled.
Mercury048
19-February-2007, 17:41
So when can we expect Alpha4? The roadmap on the wiki hasn't been updated.
Dr.Jones
19-February-2007, 17:44
So when can we expect Alpha4? The roadmap on the wiki hasn't been updated.28 Feb...
NoKernel
19-February-2007, 17:45
28 Feb...

Oh he's diving into cold water hehehe
Dr.Jones
19-February-2007, 17:57
Oh he's diving into cold water heheheEgg on my face again wouldn't be that embarrassing :)...
NoKernel
19-February-2007, 18:19
Egg on my face again wouldn't be that embarrassing :)...

We will see how it will end for sure :)
ranti.
20-February-2007, 02:16
Did you realize that Dr. Jones didn't put the year? ;) :D


ranti.
Zerix01
21-February-2007, 09:17
Originally Posted by Zerix01
The official Nvidia driver will update the xorg.conf file on its own in Freespire, I don't see why it would be all that different in Ubuntu. To my understanding the driver installer will find the xorg.conf file and your kernel sources if they are in the standard locations and then build and configure everything on its own. In my experience Nvidia has become very good at this, but I have only used it in Lin/Freespire.

Thats a Linspire touch (or whoever packaged the drivers up rather). There was a rant by one of Red Hats guys about avoiding the nVIDIA supplied drivers and using a packaged one instead (like the Livna repo for Fedora/CentOS). Apparently the nVIDIA crew is screwing with dlls and not undoing it correctly when uninstalled.

I was refering to the drivers downloaded from Nvidia's site, not a deb package or anything on CNR. Just like in the Windows world, when it comes to video drivers I use the latest direct from Nvidia. On the Linspire side of things by the time they release a new version, Nvidia already has a newer driver.
Dr.Jones
21-February-2007, 13:12
I was refering to the drivers downloaded from Nvidia's site, not a deb package or anything on CNR... On the Linspire side of things by the time they release a new version, Nvidia already has a newer driver.That might break someones working drivers (or associated package). Newer is not necessarily better...
elinux
21-February-2007, 13:27
Agreed sometimes newer opens up a whole new type of hell :)
schotty
22-February-2007, 12:49
I was refering to the drivers downloaded from Nvidia's site, not a deb package or anything on CNR. Just like in the Windows world, when it comes to video drivers I use the latest direct from Nvidia. On the Linspire side of things by the time they release a new version, Nvidia already has a newer driver.

I know, thats why I specifically stated it the way I did. Not everyone here uses Free/Lin-spire. That means that the luxury of a CNR ATI/nVIDIA driver is not for all that read that ... yet.
Zerix01
23-February-2007, 19:23
That might break someones working drivers (or associated package). Newer is not necessarily better...

True. I have had a few bad drivers that basically break Cedega or don't render transparent textures correctly. This seems, for me at least, isolated to the early drivers for the 8800 series of cards. I have had to re-install older drivers which when running the installer would detect the newer driver and ask me if I want it removed. This feature worked for me as long as I didn't try going too far back in revisions.
pdsmith
26-February-2007, 01:30
Thank You, I also have been trying to download it, It seems to be downloading from your mirror image though
elinux
26-February-2007, 01:47
Well his mirror is easy to pickup in a google search for sure just searching for that filename. Google snatched him quick. :)
DeGrijze
27-February-2007, 09:07
MMmm got this feeling that my belief in the so cold next release of the "freespire" Os is on a all time low.
Looking @ this Freespire 2.0 Release Schedule page (http://www.google.com/calendar/embed?src=ebpep3g1ea7kocsq73oi0p48tk%40group.calen dar.google.com&title=Freespire%202.0%20Release%20Schedule%20%28Wo rk%20in%20Progress/) just make's me weep, and give's me M.S shiffers down my spine.

:(
Gerard
Dr.Jones
27-February-2007, 12:11
MMmm got this feeling that my belief in the so cold next release of the "freespire" Os is on a all time low.
Looking @ this Freespire 2.0 Release Schedule page (http://www.google.com/calendar/embed?src=ebpep3g1ea7kocsq73oi0p48tk%40group.calen dar.google.com&title=Freespire%202.0%20Release%20Schedule%20%28Wo rk%20in%20Progress/) just make's me weep, and give's me M.S shiffers down my spine.Schedule is out-of-date, but the first ubuntu core release is scheduled for tomorrow Wednesday 28 Feb 2007 (final release on the heels of Fiesty release in late April)...
billhedrick
27-February-2007, 16:49
Schedule is out-of-date, but the first ubuntu core release is scheduled for tomorrow Wednesday 28 Feb 2007 (final release on the heels of Fiesty release in late April)...
So, pardon my denseness, Feb 28th we should see a Freespire release?
Cloudy Wizzard
27-February-2007, 16:56
Feb 28th we should see a Freespire release?

and THIS is why Linspire doesn't like to give out estimated release dates for Linspire :D:D

Debian has a nice saying about this : "we ONLY release when it's ready" :p:D;)
artmiller
27-February-2007, 16:57
I just tried to use bittorant to bring it down, and it just sits there. Is there a link to the .iso that other than torant?
TekMate
27-February-2007, 16:58
Schedule is out-of-date, but the first ubuntu core release is scheduled for tomorrow Wednesday 28 Feb 2007 (final release on the heels of Fiesty release in late April)...

So when can we expect to see a new beta of Linspire?
Dr.Jones
27-February-2007, 17:05
So when can we expect to see a new beta of Linspire?Post release of Freespire 2.0...
elinux
27-February-2007, 18:28
I think considering all thats going on, we are doing well and i look forward to tomorrows alpha. Lets look at this as a stepping stone toward greater things to come. :)
deanlinkous
27-February-2007, 18:31
The new debian etch weekly images should be out too.....WooHooo
TekMate
27-February-2007, 18:46
The new debian etch weekly images should be out too.....WooHooo

Linky linky please.
ShyGuy
27-February-2007, 18:50
I will definetely be checking out this new alpha. I just hope I can get it off of bittorrent. I had to find alpha 3 on somebody's server.

Also, pardon me if this is a dumb question, but should do this doreport thing after I get it up and going? Does it help out the development team?
Cloudy Wizzard
27-February-2007, 19:06
Linky linky please.

I guess http://debian.org ?

but what I am REALLY interested in is "WHEN is Debian Etch scheduled to hit STABLE ?? I read somewhere that it was planned for December but then it was end January or February and it's allmost march now so I would really like to know when they are planning on releasing it as stable now (not that I'm waiting for it, but since I have download limit I'm waiting for the stable release before I start to download CD or DVD images :D).
hqlinux
27-February-2007, 19:09
I will definetely be checking out this new alpha. I just hope I can get it off of bittorrent. I had to find alpha 3 on somebody's server.

Also, pardon me if this is a dumb question, but should do this doreport thing after I get it up and going? Does it help out the development team?

Absolutely it helps. Please do the doreport.:cool::cool::cool:

Harvey
Dr.Jones
27-February-2007, 19:09
Also, pardon me if this is a dumb question, but should do this doreport thing after I get it up and going? Does it help out the development team?Yes submission of a Diagnostic Report helps developers immensely (HQ types faster than S3 :)...
TekMate
27-February-2007, 19:11
I guess http://debian.org ?

but what I am REALLY interested in is "WHEN is Debian Etch scheduled to hit STABLE ?? I read somewhere that it was planned for December but then it was end January or February and it's allmost march now so I would really like to know when they are planning on releasing it as stable now (not that I'm waiting for it, but since I have download limit I'm waiting for the stable release before I start to download CD or DVD images :D).


There are (the last time I looked) less than 100 release critical bugs so hopefully it won't be much longer.
hqlinux
27-February-2007, 19:11
LOL... beat ya;):D

Harvey
subslug
27-February-2007, 19:17
I will definetely be checking out this new alpha. I just hope I can get it off of bittorrent. I had to find alpha 3 on somebody's server.

Also, pardon me if this is a dumb question, but should do this doreport thing after I get it up and going? Does it help out the development team?

I'm sure a few of us, myself included, are planning to mirror the ISO's again. It'll take me a while after it's released to get it uploaded to my hosting site unfortunately. I'll need to download it then upload it first.

We need a sideload option for ISO's :cool:
ShyGuy
27-February-2007, 19:21
Well, if doreport off of the livecd is useful, I may be in a unique position to help the process. I work at a computer repair shop and we get multiple unique systems in every week. I could report on dozens of different hardware types.
hqlinux
27-February-2007, 19:21
Lots of options on how and where to download Freespire located here:

http://wiki.freespire.org/index.php/Download_Freespire

Harvey
hqlinux
27-February-2007, 19:23
Well, if doreport off of the livecd is useful, I may be in a unique position to help the process. I work at a computer repair shop and we get multiple unique systems in every week. I could report on dozens of different hardware types.

That would be MOST EXCELLENT...

I am sure that the Freespire folks would APPRECIATE that very much...:cool::cool::cool:

Harvey
deanlinkous
27-February-2007, 20:10
***thread hi-jack****

Debian Etch was "projected" for dec. not planned. :) It will likely be a while. I get the feeling we will see a new DPL before we see a new stable release. Still kind of ugly over there. Very two sided right now.

IMO you should never wait for a stable release from debian. Use testing. It breaks less than most distros and when it does it will likely be fixed asap! Edit- When debian testing is "broke" it does not mean YOUR install is "broke". It simply means that some things are being changed and are not in good shape right now on the server side. You do not have to pull those updates. Leave them there. I usually just get a good install and make sure my fav apps work until everything looks good again then if I want to update to get the latest version -cool. And if I do not want to risk it then I do not.

For desktop use I have no problem recommending it now. If you look thru those 100+/- bugs you will see they are not show stoppers, many involve documentation, license guideline checks and so forth. I personally have not ran into any bugs or other critters. The new installer is nice. Start the install with installgui if you want a pretty installer, just hit enter if you want then standard one.

Default desktops are NICE, not blinged but not plain bone stock default either. Nice colors, nice wallpaper. And everything JUST WORKS! I honestly do not (IIRC) need to configure anything.

http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/
http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/daily-builds/
http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-builds/

weekly FULL images
http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-builds/i386/iso-cd/
The KDE and XFCE images are at the bottom.

daily MINI images
http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/daily-builds/daily/current/i386/iso-cd/

AFAIK the windows based installer also installs etch
http://goodbye-microsoft.com
http://goodbye-microsoft.com/screenshots/

The installGUI installer screenshot walkthru
http://www.debianadmin.com/debian-etch-beta3-graphical-mode-installation-with-screenshots.html
Cloudy Wizzard
27-February-2007, 20:38
True, I ran Woody for a while and now I have SID om my main desktop and Etch on all the other systems. Sarge is also perfect if you don't need the latest and greatest. I recently upgraded to Etch on my laptop because I needed some packages that were only in testing and not in stable.

Debian never really crashed on me (not counting SID since I had a few problems with SID before, but hey that's why they call it "UNSTABLE" right :D).

Debian Woody and Sarge are just rock solid (not running Etch long enough to judge about that, but I guess it's the same for Etch aswell).
Bro.Tiag
27-February-2007, 21:56
I recently upgraded to Etch on my laptop because I needed some packages that were only in testing and not in stable.

How did you do that, go from sarge to etch?

Cheers
TekMate
27-February-2007, 23:27
How did you do that, go from sarge to etch?

Cheers change your sources.list and then do an apt-get dist-upgrade.
pdsmith
28-February-2007, 01:26
Subslug has a mirror site posted 2 weeks ago in this thread. I used it 2 days ago and it works. Iam not sure how to attach it so you'll just have to look for Subslugs posting
elinux
28-February-2007, 01:30
Here is subslugs http://www.basetex.org/freespire_1.1.84.iso
Bro.Tiag
28-February-2007, 03:28
change your sources.list and then do an apt-get dist-upgrade.

Thanks, I've done and have tryed a few other how to's, but it craps out when going from xfree86 to x.org. It has been a spell since I tryed. I just today made a new backup, so if yur interested in helping me out I can try again & post the exact errors I get.

Cheers
deanlinkous
28-February-2007, 04:15
Thanks, I've done and have tryed a few other how to's, but it craps out when going from xfree86 to x.org. It has been a spell since I tryed. I just today made a new backup, so if yur interested in helping me out I can try again & post the exact errors I get.

Cheers
wooo hoooo its on.... :D
Cloudy Wizzard
28-February-2007, 13:13
Thanks, I've done and have tryed a few other how to's, but it craps out when going from xfree86 to x.org. It has been a spell since I tryed. I just today made a new backup, so if yur interested in helping me out I can try again & post the exact errors I get.

Cheers

Yeah, there are some problems when you "upgrade" from XFree86 to XOrg (nothing you can't fix though).

it's very possible a simple setting in the config that's not correct (my Xorg didn't work the first time because they used a diffrent keyboard module or name for it).

I just did a clean installation reformatting the drive when I upgraded to Etch (less conflicts but a bit loss of data is the result then :D :D).
TekMate
28-February-2007, 16:05
BT let us know how you make out. I didn't have the problems with Xorg but I always cheat as Debian doesn't do as good a job as Mepis I boot that live and copy the configuration file over it works fine.
Bro.Tiag
28-February-2007, 16:34
BT let us know how you make out. I didn't have the problems with Xorg but I always cheat as Debian doesn't do as good a job as Mepis I boot that live and copy the configuration file over it works fine.
Right, I'll give it another try, tonight. I'll start a new thread so this one can get back on target. I'm really looking forward to deanlinkous' help (since he offered), give him a chance to so folk he's not really a bad egg.:D
deanlinkous
28-February-2007, 16:36
he's not really a bad egg.:DI'm not. But playing one sure is fun sometimes.
Bro.Tiag
28-February-2007, 18:36
he's not really a bad egg.:D
I'm not. But playing one sure is fun sometimes.

I know that, tis a shame not many other's do. :eek:
Dr.Jones
28-February-2007, 19:54
I'll start a new thread so this one can get back on target. I'm really looking forward to deanlinkous' help (since he offered), give him a chance to so folk he's not really a bad egg.:DThank You! I want this thread to drop away; because, there's a new Alpha's thread to take it's place. BTW I agree Dean's not all bad :)...
deanlinkous
28-February-2007, 20:07
Any chance at a OSS alpha???? didnt think so :(
Dr.Jones
28-February-2007, 20:17
Any chance at a OSS alpha???? didnt think so :(Not at this point, sorry (need to be ever so slightly stable to make it worthwhile)...
ShyGuy
01-March-2007, 02:36
Are we going to see the new alpha drop before midnight tonight?
JDoyle
01-March-2007, 03:10
Are we going to see the new alpha drop before midnight tonight?No. Kevin Carmony posted this to the mailing lists today:Delayed: Fm Kevin Carmony to users
As you know, we were hoping to get the first Alpha release of Freespire 2.0 on Ubuntu out before the end of the month. Unfortunately, we're going to miss that, but only by a few days. There are a few key items that are still giving us some trouble that need to get fixed before we can release this build. We will try really hard to have it out before the end of the week, but for sure sometime next week if not. (Dang February, if it only had 31 days. =)

Sorry about the delay. I know everyone is excited to take a look at Freespire on Ubuntu, but you'll have Alpha 1 very soon.

Thanks for understanding,

Kevin
JD
ShyGuy
01-March-2007, 03:25
How does one become a part of these mailing lists?
subslug
01-March-2007, 03:31
How does one become a part of these mailing lists?
Check this out (http://wiki.freespire.org/index.php/Subscriptions)
Dr.Jones
02-March-2007, 17:06
Are we going to see the new alpha drop before midnight tonight?Investigating the status of the next release (was somewhat preoccupied yesterday)...
Note: appreciate those that are nice :)...
deanlinkous
03-March-2007, 00:29
Note: appreciate those that are nice :)... ;) ........
Barnabas
05-March-2007, 14:07
Hi,

I have installed Freespire 1.0 on my laptop. Will I be able to update that to the newest versions that are based on ubuntu easily, and would that effect the duel boot function already working?

Thanks
Bro.Tiag
05-March-2007, 14:15
Hi,

I have installed Freespire 1.0 on my laptop. Will I be able to update that to the newest versions that are based on ubuntu easily, and would that effect the duel boot function already working?

Thanks

I dona believe that you will be able to do an update from FOS-1.0 to any of the new builds of FOS. Although said function should be on offer once the ubuntu based FOS is on offer.

As for dual booting I dona think there will be any issues with that. Booting is a function of the bootstrapper, which is grub for *spire.

Cheers
Dr.Jones
05-March-2007, 14:33
I have installed Freespire 1.0 on my laptop. Will I be able to update that to the newest versions that are based on ubuntu easily, and would that effect the duel boot function already working?As posted updating to the latest FS 2.0 Alpha is not available (but it's an Alpha after all :), and apt-get dist-upgrade won't probably work due to package name differences, but planned is a resolution for the final release...
Bro.Tiag
05-March-2007, 14:39
As posted updating to the latest FS 2.0 Alpha is not available (but it's an Alpha after all :), and apt-get dist-upgrade won't probably work due to package name differences, but planned is a resolution for the final release...

Are you saying we will be able to apt-get dist-upgrade from FOS-1.0 to FOS-2.0 once released?

Cheers
Barnabas
05-March-2007, 14:40
If I just download and install the newest version over the old, what do you think will happen?
Dr.Jones
05-March-2007, 14:59
...apt-get dist-upgrade won't probably work due to package name differences, but planned is a resolution for the final release... Are you saying we will be able to apt-get dist-upgrade from FOS-1.0 to FOS-2.0 once released?My understanding, due to package name differences, this might not feasible, but alternative solutions are possible...
Zerix01
05-March-2007, 18:13
If I just download and install the newest version over the old, what do you think will happen?

The Freespire installer is not setup that way. You either take over a partition (delete everything on that partition and install) or take over a drive (delete the drive and install). Even if this were not the case I think your system would be very messed up if you were able to copy the new files on top of your old ones. Due to package and file name differences you would basically have two copies on top of each other, your current kernel would (try to) boot but chances are many things would not work due to at least some files overwriting each other and some not working with the old ones, not to mention linked files an other Linux technicalities.

Basically I'm assuming you simply want to keep your current settings and such and not have to reconfigure your system back to the way it is. If you were able to copy all the new files over the old, you would have bigger problems than what you are trying to avoid.
billhedrick
05-March-2007, 18:45
Any news of Alpha 4? I thought it would be out this last weekend.
elinux
05-March-2007, 19:15
Well just waiting on QA i guesds then they will release!
PGTips91
05-March-2007, 19:39
I'm sure a few of us, myself included, are planning to mirror the ISO's again. It'll take me a while after it's released to get it uploaded to my hosting site unfortunately. I'll need to download it then upload it first.

We need a sideload option for ISO's :cool:
I was reading about rsync recently and I believe that it can do just that : --

http://samba.anu.edu.au/rsync/features.html

rsync features

rsync is a file transfer program for Unix systems. rsync uses the "rsync algorithm" which provides a very fast method for bringing remote files into sync. It does this by sending just the differences in the files across the link, without requiring that both sets of files are present at one of the ends of the link beforehand. Some features of rsync include
can update whole directory trees and filesystems
optionally preserves symbolic links, hard links, file ownership, permissions, devices and times
requires no special privileges to install
internal pipelining reduces latency for multiple files
can use rsh, ssh or direct sockets as the transport
supports anonymous rsync (http://sunsite.auc.dk/SunSITE/rsync/rsync-mirroring.html) which is ideal for mirroring
Paul
Oli P.
05-March-2007, 19:43
Hallo, Am I stupid or something??? WHAT THE HELL IS THE USERNAME+PASSWORD? I tried a LOT of names and passwords, but nothing worked... so what's correct?? BTW: Perhaps it has anything to do with it: there is no boot splash... the screen is black until KDM appears on the screen... Oli...
TekMate
05-March-2007, 20:24
Oli P. you have to hit ctrl+alt+F2 log in as root no password set a password using the passwd utility and then hit ctrl+F7 and login as root with the new password.